From saleh.igal@archongroup.com Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:21:53 -0600
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:21:53 -0600
From: Igal, Saleh saleh.igal@archongroup.com
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM : 

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up 
7. Small prog 
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv  
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works 
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> 
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> 
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> 
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> 
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> 
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> 
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
> 
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
> 
> Ideas, anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ron
> 
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
> 
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From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:15:35 -0800
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:15:35 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

I've posted a new version of CDJ on the site. Happy Halloween!

Colby

---CDJ---

10/31/00
Fixed problem with loading larger playlists which could cause extraneous
playlist entries
Added support for coloring text according player - see View | Options |
Appearance
Preview mode is no longer persisted when CDJ reloads
Added searchlist_copytoplaylist and library_neverplaycurrenttrack automation
commands
Fixed problem in keywords which prevented correctly converting a keyword
attribute from "whole disc" to "none" when viewing a single track
Fixed problem with certain CX270/90ES models being stopped when playing
tracks > 9
Fixed multi slink-e player location
Events are now generated for EVERY match of an incoming IR or S-Link signal.
You can have multiple matching codes in a single device file or across
device files. This meand CD device files in CDJ will no longer cause
problems.

---slinkeserv---

10/31/00
Events are now generated for EVERY match of an incoming IR or S-Link signal.
You can have multiple matching codes in a single device file or across
device files. This meand CD device files in CDJ will no longer cause
problems.
Slinkeserv now deletes users that have a dead COM interface (e.g. a crashed
program)





From simon@themasons.net Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ as
the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I could open
CDJ on any machine connected to my network.  This would only work for mw if
the MP3 output were from the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To: Michael Holopainen
Cc: Slinke-List
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)


From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From sci4all@yahoo.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:16:02 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:16:02 -0800
From: John Shankland sci4all@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

How about a slinkeserv replacement. It would be two components a com server=
=20
for CDJ to talk to, and a normal tcp/ip server to talk to the actual slinke=
=20
device. The COM server would run on the same machine as CDJ, but would talk=
=20
to the tcp/ip sever instead of a slinke device. This would give the most=20
freedom of choice. People could still use CDJ, or they could just use the=20
tcp/ip server and communicate to it any way they'd like, web, jabber,=20
telnet or whatever comes out in the future.

Also it wouldn't require any changes to CDJ. Of course if the tcp/ip server=
=20
where stable enough eventually Colby might want to change CDJ to use it=20
instead.

At 05:26 PM 10/31/2000 -0500, Simon Mason wrote:
>It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ as
>the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I could=
 open


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From jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:51:48 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:51:48 -0800
From: Jim Glidewell jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to CDJ

Hi all,

I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.

It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
(2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
work.

Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
installed in the standard place.

It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
between the "helper" apps and CDJ.

What I see:

Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
I can tell.

Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
start (it's already running)

CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)

I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
follow the README's for the three helper apps.

Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
Windows inter-app communication works at all):

Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?

Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
some extra MS install...)

Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)

Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?

Finally:

How does one force the screensaver to run? 

I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
(while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
from activating (animated icon, for example)?

I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.

Thanks for your help...

Jim
-- 
Jim Glidewell
jim_glidewell@yahoo.com




From sci4all@yahoo.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:24:48 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:24:48 -0800
From: John Shankland sci4all@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to
 CDJ

You need to set CDJ so that it uses slinkeserve. I'm at work so I don't=20
have access to the app, but it's somewhere in the preferences.


At 10:51 AM 11/1/2000 -0800, Jim Glidewell wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
>using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
>a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.
>
>It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
>(2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
>of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
>work.
>
>Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
>current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
>installed in the standard place.
>
>It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
>They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
>doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
>between the "helper" apps and CDJ.
>
>What I see:
>
>Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
>None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
>screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
>I can tell.
>
>Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
>start (it's already running)
>
>CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
>settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)
>
>I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
>follow the README's for the three helper apps.
>
>Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
>Windows inter-app communication works at all):
>
>Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?
>
>Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
>Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
>install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
>some extra MS install...)
>
>Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)
>
>Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?
>
>Finally:
>
>How does one force the screensaver to run?
>
>I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
>(while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
>through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
>Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
>from activating (animated icon, for example)?
>
>I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
>skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
>and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
>that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.
>
>Thanks for your help...
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim Glidewell
>jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
>
>
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From John.C.Ryan@msdw.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:44:53 -0500
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:44:53 -0500
From: John Ryan John.C.Ryan@msdw.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to CDJ

Looks like you need to set CDJ to comunicate with your
slinke via slinkeserv.  I think it is somewhere under 
options.

Jim Glidewell wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
> using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
> a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.
> 
> It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
> (2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
> of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
> work.
> 
> Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
> current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
> installed in the standard place.
> 
> It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
> They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
> doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
> between the "helper" apps and CDJ.
> 
> What I see:
> 
> Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
> None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
> screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
> I can tell.
> 
> Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
> start (it's already running)
> 
> CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
> settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)
> 
> I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
> follow the README's for the three helper apps.
> 
> Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
> Windows inter-app communication works at all):
> 
> Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?
> 
> Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
> Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
> install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
> some extra MS install...)
> 
> Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)
> 
> Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?
> 
> Finally:
> 
> How does one force the screensaver to run?
> 
> I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
> (while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
> through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
> Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
> from activating (animated icon, for example)?
> 
> I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
> skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
> and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
> that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> 
> Jim
> --
> Jim Glidewell
> jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From davidburkhart@earthlink.net Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:20:45 -0800
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:20:45 -0800
From: David Burkhart davidburkhart@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] User-submitted Apps

Is anyone out there thinking about getting a working Covers application again?

Also, it looks like the CDJReader download link is broken...







From iancole@earthlink.net Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:20:31 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:20:31 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

A TCP/IP "socket server" exists today - www.technovelocity.com/hase

The BETA 2 release is now available for download, so you can try it today
:>)


----- Original Message -----
From: John Shankland <sci4all@yahoo.com>
To: <simon@themasons.net>; 'Igal, Saleh' <saleh.igal@archongroup.com>;
'Michael Holopainen' <michael@laserle.fi>
Cc: 'Slinke-List' <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)


> How about a slinkeserv replacement. It would be two components a com
server
> for CDJ to talk to, and a normal tcp/ip server to talk to the actual
slinke
> device. The COM server would run on the same machine as CDJ, but would
talk
> to the tcp/ip sever instead of a slinke device. This would give the mos=
t
> freedom of choice. People could still use CDJ, or they could just use t=
he
> tcp/ip server and communicate to it any way they'd like, web, jabber,
> telnet or whatever comes out in the future.
>
> Also it wouldn't require any changes to CDJ. Of course if the tcp/ip
server
> where stable enough eventually Colby might want to change CDJ to use it
> instead.
>
> At 05:26 PM 10/31/2000 -0500, Simon Mason wrote:
> >It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ=
 as
> >the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I coul=
d
open
>
>
> --
> =A9=BF=A9=AC
> John
>
>
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From wmckeen1@home.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:48:55 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:48:55 -0500
From: Wayne McKeen wmckeen1@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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Hi all;

I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc changers...

Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke? 
Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

Thanks for your help/opinions, in advance!



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From mypeter@bigfoot.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800
From: Peter Myers mypeter@bigfoot.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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Do you mean a cdpcx450 or a 200 disc changer?  (The 450 is a 400 disc =
changer.)  I have (sort of) 2 450's and 2 350's (300 disc changers).  =
the 350's have been fantastic.  One of the 450's out of the box had =
loading problems and was immediately returned (replacement due this =
week).  The other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports =
discs missing that are in fact there.  Don't know if this is universal =
to all 450's or just mine.  Also, get the cdpcx 400 (or 300) rather than =
the 450 or 350, unless you need the video out or two way remotes.  Neat =
features, but I don't use them at all with my cdj/slinky set up.  The =
money I've spent for those features would almost pay for my next =
changer.

Pete
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Wayne McKeen=20
  To: 'Slinke-List'=20
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:48 PM
  Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


  Hi all;

  I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc =
changers...

  Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke?=20
  Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
  Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

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300)=20
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  <A title=3Dwmckeen1@home.com href=3D"mailto:wmckeen1@home.com">Wayne =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Hi=20
  all;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>I'm =
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changers...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Has =
anybody had=20
  any problems with it or usage with Slinke?&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
  problems/complaints&nbsp;regarding sound quality using digital=20
  out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
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From wmckeen1@home.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:09:10 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:09:10 -0500
From: Wayne McKeen wmckeen1@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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yes I do mean the 400 disc...my typo...anyone else?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Peter Myers
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:05 PM
  To: Wayne McKeen; 'Slinke-List'
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


  Do you mean a cdpcx450 or a 200 disc changer?  (The 450 is a 400 disc
changer.)  I have (sort of) 2 450's and 2 350's (300 disc changers).  the
350's have been fantastic.  One of the 450's out of the box had loading
problems and was immediately returned (replacement due this week).  The
other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports discs missing
that are in fact there.  Don't know if this is universal to all 450's or
just mine.  Also, get the cdpcx 400 (or 300) rather than the 450 or 350,
unless you need the video out or two way remotes.  Neat features, but I
don't use them at all with my cdj/slinky set up.  The money I've spent for
those features would almost pay for my next changer.

  Pete
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Wayne McKeen
    To: 'Slinke-List'
    Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:48 PM
    Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


    Hi all;

    I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc
changers...

    Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke?
    Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
    Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

    Thanks for your help/opinions, in advance!



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immediately=20
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have=20
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mine.&nbsp;=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dslinkelist@nirvis.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkelist@nirvis.com">'Slinke-List'</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 01, =
2000 5:48=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [slinkelist] Sony=20
    450-200disc</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Hi =

    all;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>I'm thinking=20
    about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc=20
    changers...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>Has anybody had=20
    any problems with it or usage with Slinke?&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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    problems/complaints&nbsp;regarding sound quality using digital=20
    out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
    problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:01:58 -0500
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:01:58 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800, you wrote:

>One of the 450's out of the box had loading problems and was immediately=
 returned (replacement due this week). =20
>The other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports discs =
missing that are in fact there. =20
>Don't know if this is universal to all 450's or just mine.=20

I have one CX450 ... I haven't run into any of these problems ... & =
hopefully it
will stay that way <g>!

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From keith@weldondesign.com Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:08 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:08 -0500
From: Keith keith@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
DCOM and Slinkesrv.

The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do with DCOM and
Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.

I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
from any location in the house.

I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
for a specific song and add it to the playlist.

I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld remotes or wall
mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
better solution than VNC.

Regards,
Keith Weldon

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To:	Michael Holopainen
Cc:	Slinke-List
Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From cjrose@mediaone.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:39:43 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:39:43 -0500
From: Carl J. Rose cjrose@mediaone.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man =
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right =
the first after install.  However, after that the default card took over =
and played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj =
still showed  the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the =
pudding.  Any thoughts about this?

Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my =
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit =
and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still =
no help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  =
Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some =
magic bullet?

I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like =
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from =
the new SB Live! 5.1 card
Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

Thanks,
Carl
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Shawn Boyle=20
  To: slinkeList@nirvis.com=20
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


  I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers =
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier =
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB =
working. I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything =
pretty much worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't =
run into any.
  =20
  You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use =
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use =
this card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports =
using a different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you =
can choose which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your =
own program there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to =
choose different sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but =
on first glance it seemed pretty straight forward.=20
  =20
  On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of =
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is =
connected to my amp.
  =20
  -Shawn
    -----Original Message-----
    From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
    Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.  =
Many questions come to mind.
    Do the choices of cards matter?
    What settings are needed?
    Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
    Thanks for your help,  carl

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with a =
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cdj.&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I put=20
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playback.&nbsp; I have=20
moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound =
cards=20
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playback=20
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you got=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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is a maze of=20
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sony=20
output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com" title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com>Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com"=20
  title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com>slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, 2000 =
1:13=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
  cards</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
  cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what I =
can tell=20
  are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. My HA =
server=20
  runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added the =
second card,=20
  Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I was ready for =
some=20
  major problems, but I didn't run into any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>You =
set one of the=20
  cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card for all =
of the=20
  system sounds and most other programs will use this card for their =
sounds. But=20
  if you have a program that supports using a different&nbsp;sound card, =
like=20
  CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound card that =
program=20
  uses. If you're writing your own program there's a document on =
Microsoft's=20
  site that explains how to choose different sound cards using VB. I =
haven't=20
  really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty straight =
forward.=20
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server I=20
  have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop speakers, =
CDJ sends=20
  MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my =
amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000>-Shawn</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf=20
    Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 =

    PM<BR><B>To:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[slinkelist] Two=20
    sound cards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There has been some talk about =
using two sound=20
    cards on this list.&nbsp; Many questions come to mind.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do the choices of cards =
matter?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What settings are =
needed?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you direct different sounds to =
different=20
    cards?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your help,&nbsp;=20
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:00 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:00 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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Go to Radio Shack and get one of those automobile hum noise reducers.  It
has RCA in and out and does the trick.  I have one hooked up on the back of
my PC before it goes into the mixer that combines the output from the CD
players.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 AM
  To: Shawn Boyle
  Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. Schaaf
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum


  I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right the
first after install.  However, after that the default card took over and
played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj still showed
the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the pudding.  Any
thoughts about this?

  Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and
even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still no
help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are
you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic
bullet?

  I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from the
new SB Live! 5.1 card
  Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

  Thanks,
  Carl
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Shawn Boyle
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
    Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working.
I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much
worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into any.

    You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use this
card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a
different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose
which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your own program
there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different
sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it
seemed pretty straight forward.

    On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected
to my amp.

    -Shawn
      -----Original Message-----
      From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
      Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
      To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
      Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


      There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.
Many questions come to mind.
      Do the choices of cards matter?
      What settings are needed?
      Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
      Thanks for your help,  carl

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Radio Shack and get one of those automobile hum noise reducers.&nbsp; It =
has RCA=20
in and out and does the trick.&nbsp; I have one hooked up on the back of =
my PC=20
before it goes into the mixer that combines the output from the CD=20
players.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com=20
  [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Carl J.=20
  Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Shawn=20
  Boyle<BR><B>Cc:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. =
Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with =
a SB AWE 64=20
  as default and a D-man card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with =
cdj.&nbsp;=20
  Well, It worked right the first after install.&nbsp; However, after =
that the=20
  default card took over and played everything, including mp3 with =
cdj!&nbsp;=20
  The settings in cdj still showed&nbsp; the auxilliary card in control, =
but the=20
  proof is in the pudding.&nbsp; Any thoughts about this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I=20
  put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon receiver for =
playback.&nbsp;=20
  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even =
changed sound=20
  cards and still no help.&nbsp; You Slinker's out all talk about your =
mp3/cd=20
  playback mixes,!&nbsp; Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum =
or have=20
  you got some magic bullet?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have even tried digital out but =
that is a maze=20
  of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a =
new=20
  sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in =
Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com" title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com>Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com"=20
    title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com>slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, =
2000 1:13=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
    cards</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
    cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what =
I can=20
    tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. =
My HA=20
    server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added =
the=20
    second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I =
was=20
    ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into=20
any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160400018-27102000>You set one of=20
    the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card =
for all of=20
    the system sounds and most other programs will use this card for =
their=20
    sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a =
different&nbsp;sound=20
    card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound =
card=20
    that program uses. If you're writing your own program there's a =
document on=20
    Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different sound cards =
using VB.=20
    I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty =
straight=20
    forward. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server=20
    I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop =
speakers, CDJ=20
    sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my=20
    amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000>-Shawn</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
      slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On=20
      Behalf Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, =
2000=20
      11:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
      [slinkelist] Two sound cards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There has been some talk about =
using two=20
      sound cards on this list.&nbsp; Many questions come to =
mind.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do the choices of cards =
matter?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What settings are =
needed?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you direct different sounds =
to different=20
      cards?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your help,&nbsp;=20
    =
carl</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:31 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:31 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
DCOM and Slinkesrv.

The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do with DCOM and
Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.

I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
from any location in the house.

I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
for a specific song and add it to the playlist.

I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld remotes or wall
mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
better solution than VNC.

Regards,
Keith Weldon

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To:	Michael Holopainen
Cc:	Slinke-List
Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From mike@macgirvin.com Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:21:07 -0800
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:21:07 -0800
From: Mike Macgirvin mike@macgirvin.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

> Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon
> receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound
> cards and still no help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are you putting
> up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic bullet?
>  
> I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical
> and even a new sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card
> Sign me "Confused in Ohio"
>  

You've got a ground loop between the stereo and PC. Go down to your
local car stereo outlet or other consumer electronic place and buy
yourself a stereo isolation transformer. You'll usually find them with
the auto-stereo stuff. Costs between 10 and 20 bucks. Plug it in between
the two systems.




From mkropp@cathouse.mv.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:54:45 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:54:45 -0500
From: Mike Kropp mkropp@cathouse.mv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From ricke@microsoft.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 05:59:57 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 05:59:57 -0800
From: Rick Engle ricke@microsoft.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems as
well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.
Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com <http://www.stereo-link.com/> 
 
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:07:20 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:07:20 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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Can you address it as a separate device in CDJ with the "Play MP3 through"
option?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Rick Engle
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 AM
  To: cjrose@mediaone.net
  Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
  Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...


  Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems
as well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.

  Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com



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  [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rick=20
  Engle<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  cjrose@mediaone.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
slinkelist@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  [slinkelist] hum solution...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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face=3DArial=20
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12.0pt">Hi=20
  Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I had bad hum problems as =
well.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I pipe all of my PC audio =
out to a=20
  Phast audio distribution system and stumbled across a great product =
called=20
  SteroLink, which does a direct digital to analog conversion and =
bypasses the=20
  sound card, it uses a USB sound driver.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>I can crank up the =
music or even=20
  tuen the volume completely down on my amp and here no hum at all.<SPAN =

  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Its $199 but worth=20
  it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Check=20
  it out at <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.stereo-link.com/">http://www.stereo-link.com</A><o:p><=
/o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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12.0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN>Rick<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:11:52 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:11:52 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and you
have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as clean
as the application.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Kropp
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From shawn@sboyle.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:42:13 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:42:13 -0500
From: Shawn Boyle shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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Double check your settings in the Sounds applet [on the control panel]. The
couple of problems that I had with setting up two sound cards were all
related to Windows. I had only two sound cards installed but Windows gave me
three choices when selecting my default card. One of them caused my whole
system to choke and the other two were the actual sound cards. I'd check
this setting and make sure that Windows hasn't grabbed your other sound card
[for whatever reason] and made it the default. I also found that which PCI
[I'm assuming these two cards are PCI] slot the cards were in made a
difference. As a last resort you might want to try swapping the two cards
around.

Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard [from this list
I think] is to connect the chassis of your computer to the chassis of your
amp. I haven't tried this yet but I think someone else on this list has.
It'd certainly be worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator
from RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not be worth
it if you have to run another wire.

-Shawn
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Carl J. Rose [mailto:cjrose@mediaone.net]
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 AM
  To: Shawn Boyle
  Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. Schaaf
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum


  I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right the
first after install.  However, after that the default card took over and
played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj still showed
the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the pudding.  Any
thoughts about this?

  Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and
even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still no
help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are
you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic
bullet?

  I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from the
new SB Live! 5.1 card
  Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

  Thanks,
  Carl
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Shawn Boyle
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
    Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working.
I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much
worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into any.

    You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use this
card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a
different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose
which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your own program
there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different
sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it
seemed pretty straight forward.

    On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected
to my amp.

    -Shawn
      -----Original Message-----
      From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
      Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
      To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
      Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


      There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.
Many questions come to mind.
      Do the choices of cards matter?
      What settings are needed?
      Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
      Thanks for your help,  carl

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D320072816-04112000>Another solution for=20
the ground loop problem that I've heard [from this list I think] is to =
connect=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Carl J. Rose=20
  [mailto:cjrose@mediaone.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, =
2000 12:40=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> Shawn Boyle<BR><B>Cc:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com; John =
W.=20
  Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and=20
  hum<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with =
a SB AWE 64=20
  as default and a D-man card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with =
cdj.&nbsp;=20
  Well, It worked right the first after install.&nbsp; However, after =
that the=20
  default card took over and played everything, including mp3 with =
cdj!&nbsp;=20
  The settings in cdj still showed&nbsp; the auxilliary card in control, =
but the=20
  proof is in the pudding.&nbsp; Any thoughts about this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I=20
  put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon receiver for =
playback.&nbsp;=20
  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even =
changed sound=20
  cards and still no help.&nbsp; You Slinker's out all talk about your =
mp3/cd=20
  playback mixes,!&nbsp; Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum =
or have=20
  you got some magic bullet?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have even tried digital out but =
that is a maze=20
  of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a =
new=20
  sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in =
Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com">Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com">slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, =
2000 1:13=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
    cards</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
    cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what =
I can=20
    tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. =
My HA=20
    server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added =
the=20
    second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I =
was=20
    ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into=20
any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160400018-27102000>You set one of=20
    the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card =
for all of=20
    the system sounds and most other programs will use this card for =
their=20
    sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a =
different&nbsp;sound=20
    card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound =
card=20
    that program uses. If you're writing your own program there's a =
document on=20
    Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different sound cards =
using VB.=20
    I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty =
straight=20
    forward. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server=20
    I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop =
speakers, CDJ=20
    sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my=20
    amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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      Behalf Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, =
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From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:23:51 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:23:51 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] Calculating the CRCC for the Q-Subcode on SPDIF

My turn to ask a question :)

I'm writing a program to record digital audio to disk using a RME Digi96
sound card. I'm using the Q-Subcode information on the SPDIF signal to
divide the tracks as exactly as I can. I've noticed that the Q-Subcode has
errors in it occasionally and I would like to be able to identify and ignore
these Q-Subcode frames by checking them against their included CRCC, but I'm
running into a couple of problems:

1) I don't know what method is being used to calculate the CRCC. I've tried
all 16-bit polynomials, but haven't found a consistent match. Maybe I'm
running the block through the shift registers in the wrong byte/bit order?

2) The Q-Subcode frame is 98 bits long on the CD, but only 96 bits in size
on the SPDIF signal (missing the S0 and S1 bits), so hopefully the CRCC
doesn't use S0 and S1 right? I guess I could do a CRCC against all 4
possible S bit combinations...

Thanks,

Colby





From ricke@microsoft.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:08:17 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:08:17 -0800
From: Rick Engle ricke@microsoft.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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I'm not sure, I see the dev/wave and dev/dsound options under the dropdown
in CDJ/options but I'm not sure what audio device they correspond to.   I
have my USB audio out set as the default from within the Win 2000 control
panel.
    Rick
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Mason [mailto:simon@themasons.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:07 AM
To: Rick Engle; cjrose@mediaone.net
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] hum solution...
 
Can you address it as a separate device in CDJ with the "Play MP3 through"
option?
-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Rick Engle
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 AM
To: cjrose@mediaone.net
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...
Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems as
well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.
Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com <http://www.stereo-link.com/> 
 
   Rick
 
 

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, November =
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cjrose@mediaone.net<br>
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well.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I pipe all of my PC audio out =
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From mhansen@alarmlink.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:23:23 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:23:23 -0800
From: Michael E. Hansen mhansen@alarmlink.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Client/Server

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For Those of you who may be looking for a client/server application here =
is an application that needs to be tested. There is not much in the way =
of documentation or help yet. The server runs on a machine with =
SlinkeServe. The program also does X10, Lightolier Multiset and =
Brilliance, Statnet and RCS thermostats, Xantech ZPR68, etc. It is =
licensed by the module and each module will be $99. It can be run in =
demo mode for short periods. This is a VB6 app and I am considering =
making the source for the client available.

I would appreciate any feedback if you would like to try it out.

http://www.homelinkautomation.com/Download/HLServerSetup.EXE
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