From saleh.igal@archongroup.com Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:21:53 -0600
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 10:21:53 -0600
From: Igal, Saleh saleh.igal@archongroup.com
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM : 

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up 
7. Small prog 
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv  
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works 
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> 
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> 
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> 
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> 
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> 
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> 
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
> 
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
> 
> Ideas, anyone?
> 
> Thanks,
> Ron
> 
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
> 
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From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:15:35 -0800
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 11:15:35 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

I've posted a new version of CDJ on the site. Happy Halloween!

Colby

---CDJ---

10/31/00
Fixed problem with loading larger playlists which could cause extraneous
playlist entries
Added support for coloring text according player - see View | Options |
Appearance
Preview mode is no longer persisted when CDJ reloads
Added searchlist_copytoplaylist and library_neverplaycurrenttrack automation
commands
Fixed problem in keywords which prevented correctly converting a keyword
attribute from "whole disc" to "none" when viewing a single track
Fixed problem with certain CX270/90ES models being stopped when playing
tracks > 9
Fixed multi slink-e player location
Events are now generated for EVERY match of an incoming IR or S-Link signal.
You can have multiple matching codes in a single device file or across
device files. This meand CD device files in CDJ will no longer cause
problems.

---slinkeserv---

10/31/00
Events are now generated for EVERY match of an incoming IR or S-Link signal.
You can have multiple matching codes in a single device file or across
device files. This meand CD device files in CDJ will no longer cause
problems.
Slinkeserv now deletes users that have a dead COM interface (e.g. a crashed
program)





From simon@themasons.net Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2000 17:26:19 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ as
the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I could open
CDJ on any machine connected to my network.  This would only work for mw if
the MP3 output were from the server.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To: Michael Holopainen
Cc: Slinke-List
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)


From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From sci4all@yahoo.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:16:02 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 08:16:02 -0800
From: John Shankland sci4all@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

How about a slinkeserv replacement. It would be two components a com server=
=20
for CDJ to talk to, and a normal tcp/ip server to talk to the actual slinke=
=20
device. The COM server would run on the same machine as CDJ, but would talk=
=20
to the tcp/ip sever instead of a slinke device. This would give the most=20
freedom of choice. People could still use CDJ, or they could just use the=20
tcp/ip server and communicate to it any way they'd like, web, jabber,=20
telnet or whatever comes out in the future.

Also it wouldn't require any changes to CDJ. Of course if the tcp/ip server=
=20
where stable enough eventually Colby might want to change CDJ to use it=20
instead.

At 05:26 PM 10/31/2000 -0500, Simon Mason wrote:
>It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ as
>the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I could=
 open


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From jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:51:48 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 10:51:48 -0800
From: Jim Glidewell jbg@sdc.cs.boeing.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to CDJ

Hi all,

I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.

It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
(2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
work.

Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
installed in the standard place.

It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
between the "helper" apps and CDJ.

What I see:

Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
I can tell.

Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
start (it's already running)

CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)

I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
follow the README's for the three helper apps.

Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
Windows inter-app communication works at all):

Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?

Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
some extra MS install...)

Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)

Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?

Finally:

How does one force the screensaver to run? 

I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
(while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
from activating (animated icon, for example)?

I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.

Thanks for your help...

Jim
-- 
Jim Glidewell
jim_glidewell@yahoo.com




From sci4all@yahoo.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:24:48 -0800
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 12:24:48 -0800
From: John Shankland sci4all@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to
 CDJ

You need to set CDJ so that it uses slinkeserve. I'm at work so I don't=20
have access to the app, but it's somewhere in the preferences.


At 10:51 AM 11/1/2000 -0800, Jim Glidewell wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
>using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
>a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.
>
>It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
>(2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
>of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
>work.
>
>Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
>current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
>installed in the standard place.
>
>It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
>They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
>doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
>between the "helper" apps and CDJ.
>
>What I see:
>
>Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
>None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
>screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
>I can tell.
>
>Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
>start (it's already running)
>
>CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
>settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)
>
>I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
>follow the README's for the three helper apps.
>
>Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
>Windows inter-app communication works at all):
>
>Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?
>
>Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
>Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
>install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
>some extra MS install...)
>
>Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)
>
>Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?
>
>Finally:
>
>How does one force the screensaver to run?
>
>I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
>(while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
>through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
>Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
>from activating (animated icon, for example)?
>
>I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
>skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
>and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
>that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.
>
>Thanks for your help...
>
>Jim
>--
>Jim Glidewell
>jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
>
>
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From John.C.Ryan@msdw.com Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:44:53 -0500
Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2000 14:44:53 -0500
From: John Ryan John.C.Ryan@msdw.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Help - Can't get 3rd party stuff to talk to CDJ

Looks like you need to set CDJ to comunicate with your
slinke via slinkeserv.  I think it is somewhere under 
options.

Jim Glidewell wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've had a slink-e for a while, but only recently started
> using CDJ. One of the things that I _really_ want out of
> a jukebox system like this is a "now playing" option.
> 
> It appears that there are a couple of 3rd party add-ons
> (2 screensavers & Party GUI) which will do this sort
> of thing. But... I can't seem to get any of them to
> work.
> 
> Configuration: Dell Pentium 100, Windows 95, CDJ 10/13/00,
> current versions of the screensavers and PartyGUI. CDJ
> installed in the standard place.
> 
> It appears that none of these tools "see" the CDJ application.
> They can see the files (at least Party GUI can) but there
> doesn't see to be any communication (status or control)
> between the "helper" apps and CDJ.
> 
> What I see:
> 
> Party GUI - runs, sees my CD database, also sees my playlists.
> None of the buttons do anything except change the Party GUI
> screen itself. No playlists created/modified either, near as
> I can tell.
> 
> Slinkysaver - sits waiting on the opening screen for CDJ to
> start (it's already running)
> 
> CDSaver - Black screen, regardless of the colors set in the
> settings window. Kinda hard to tell what is going on... :-)
> 
> I did a pretty generic CDJ installation. And I tried to
> follow the README's for the three helper apps.
> 
> Here are some issues I'm not clear on (I don't know how
> Windows inter-app communication works at all):
> 
> Do these tools require cdjserver, or CDJ, or either?
> 
> Do I need to install something "extra" besides a standard
> Win95 install to make the IAC stuff work? Special COM/DCOM
> install or sumptin'? (I recall that the CDJ installer did
> some extra MS install...)
> 
> Does the registry come into play here? (shudder)
> 
> Does anybody have any debugging suggestions?
> 
> Finally:
> 
> How does one force the screensaver to run?
> 
> I set my "idle" time down to a minute and it never blanks
> (while running CDJ) My screensaver testing has all been
> through the "Preview" option in the properties window.
> Are there options in CDJ which prevent the screensaver
> from activating (animated icon, for example)?
> 
> I'm really hoping I've missed something pretty obvious, or
> skipped a simple but essential step. I plan on going back
> and rereading the READMEs, etc. this evening, but I thought
> that somebody might be able to point me to my "Doh!" mistake.
> 
> Thanks for your help...
> 
> Jim
> --
> Jim Glidewell
> jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From davidburkhart@earthlink.net Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:20:45 -0800
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 15:20:45 -0800
From: David Burkhart davidburkhart@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] User-submitted Apps

Is anyone out there thinking about getting a working Covers application again?

Also, it looks like the CDJReader download link is broken...







From iancole@earthlink.net Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:20:31 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:20:31 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

A TCP/IP "socket server" exists today - www.technovelocity.com/hase

The BETA 2 release is now available for download, so you can try it today
:>)


----- Original Message -----
From: John Shankland <sci4all@yahoo.com>
To: <simon@themasons.net>; 'Igal, Saleh' <saleh.igal@archongroup.com>;
'Michael Holopainen' <michael@laserle.fi>
Cc: 'Slinke-List' <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 11:16 AM
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)


> How about a slinkeserv replacement. It would be two components a com
server
> for CDJ to talk to, and a normal tcp/ip server to talk to the actual
slinke
> device. The COM server would run on the same machine as CDJ, but would
talk
> to the tcp/ip sever instead of a slinke device. This would give the mos=
t
> freedom of choice. People could still use CDJ, or they could just use t=
he
> tcp/ip server and communicate to it any way they'd like, web, jabber,
> telnet or whatever comes out in the future.
>
> Also it wouldn't require any changes to CDJ. Of course if the tcp/ip
server
> where stable enough eventually Colby might want to change CDJ to use it
> instead.
>
> At 05:26 PM 10/31/2000 -0500, Simon Mason wrote:
> >It would be nice to have a true client server capability.  Run the CDJ=
 as
> >the client, have it connect to slinkeserv through tcp/ip.  Then I coul=
d
open
>
>
> --
> =A9=BF=A9=AC
> John
>
>
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From wmckeen1@home.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:48:55 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 20:48:55 -0500
From: Wayne McKeen wmckeen1@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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Hi all;

I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc changers...

Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke? 
Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

Thanks for your help/opinions, in advance!



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From mypeter@bigfoot.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800
From: Peter Myers mypeter@bigfoot.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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Do you mean a cdpcx450 or a 200 disc changer?  (The 450 is a 400 disc =
changer.)  I have (sort of) 2 450's and 2 350's (300 disc changers).  =
the 350's have been fantastic.  One of the 450's out of the box had =
loading problems and was immediately returned (replacement due this =
week).  The other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports =
discs missing that are in fact there.  Don't know if this is universal =
to all 450's or just mine.  Also, get the cdpcx 400 (or 300) rather than =
the 450 or 350, unless you need the video out or two way remotes.  Neat =
features, but I don't use them at all with my cdj/slinky set up.  The =
money I've spent for those features would almost pay for my next =
changer.

Pete
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Wayne McKeen=20
  To: 'Slinke-List'=20
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:48 PM
  Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


  Hi all;

  I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc =
changers...

  Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke?=20
  Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
  Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

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300)=20
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  <A title=3Dwmckeen1@home.com href=3D"mailto:wmckeen1@home.com">Wayne =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Hi=20
  all;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>I'm =
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changers...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Has =
anybody had=20
  any problems with it or usage with Slinke?&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
  problems/complaints&nbsp;regarding sound quality using digital=20
  out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
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From wmckeen1@home.com Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:09:10 -0500
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 21:09:10 -0500
From: Wayne McKeen wmckeen1@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

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yes I do mean the 400 disc...my typo...anyone else?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Peter Myers
  Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 9:05 PM
  To: Wayne McKeen; 'Slinke-List'
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


  Do you mean a cdpcx450 or a 200 disc changer?  (The 450 is a 400 disc
changer.)  I have (sort of) 2 450's and 2 350's (300 disc changers).  the
350's have been fantastic.  One of the 450's out of the box had loading
problems and was immediately returned (replacement due this week).  The
other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports discs missing
that are in fact there.  Don't know if this is universal to all 450's or
just mine.  Also, get the cdpcx 400 (or 300) rather than the 450 or 350,
unless you need the video out or two way remotes.  Neat features, but I
don't use them at all with my cdj/slinky set up.  The money I've spent for
those features would almost pay for my next changer.

  Pete
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Wayne McKeen
    To: 'Slinke-List'
    Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 5:48 PM
    Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc


    Hi all;

    I'm thinking about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc
changers...

    Has anybody had any problems with it or usage with Slinke?
    Any problems/complaints regarding sound quality using digital out?
    Any problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?

    Thanks for your help/opinions, in advance!



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immediately=20
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have=20
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mine.&nbsp;=20
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dslinkelist@nirvis.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkelist@nirvis.com">'Slinke-List'</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 01, =
2000 5:48=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [slinkelist] Sony=20
    450-200disc</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D140493501-02112000>Hi =

    all;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>I'm thinking=20
    about getting a couple of the Sony 450 - 200 disc=20
    changers...</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>Has anybody had=20
    any problems with it or usage with Slinke?&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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    problems/complaints&nbsp;regarding sound quality using digital=20
    out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D140493501-02112000>Any=20
    problems/complaints regarding the 2-way remote?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:01:58 -0500
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2000 08:01:58 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 450-200disc

On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 18:04:52 -0800, you wrote:

>One of the 450's out of the box had loading problems and was immediately=
 returned (replacement due this week). =20
>The other one seems to have sporadic loading problem and reports discs =
missing that are in fact there. =20
>Don't know if this is universal to all 450's or just mine.=20

I have one CX450 ... I haven't run into any of these problems ... & =
hopefully it
will stay that way <g>!

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From keith@weldondesign.com Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:08 -0500
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 10:53:08 -0500
From: Keith keith@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
DCOM and Slinkesrv.

The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do with DCOM and
Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.

I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
from any location in the house.

I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
for a specific song and add it to the playlist.

I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld remotes or wall
mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
better solution than VNC.

Regards,
Keith Weldon

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To:	Michael Holopainen
Cc:	Slinke-List
Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From cjrose@mediaone.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:39:43 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 00:39:43 -0500
From: Carl J. Rose cjrose@mediaone.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man =
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right =
the first after install.  However, after that the default card took over =
and played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj =
still showed  the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the =
pudding.  Any thoughts about this?

Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my =
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit =
and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still =
no help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  =
Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some =
magic bullet?

I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like =
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from =
the new SB Live! 5.1 card
Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

Thanks,
Carl
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Shawn Boyle=20
  To: slinkeList@nirvis.com=20
  Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
  Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


  I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers =
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier =
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB =
working. I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything =
pretty much worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't =
run into any.
  =20
  You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use =
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use =
this card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports =
using a different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you =
can choose which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your =
own program there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to =
choose different sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but =
on first glance it seemed pretty straight forward.=20
  =20
  On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of =
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is =
connected to my amp.
  =20
  -Shawn
    -----Original Message-----
    From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
    Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.  =
Many questions come to mind.
    Do the choices of cards matter?
    What settings are needed?
    Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
    Thanks for your help,  carl

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with a =
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cdj.&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I put=20
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playback.&nbsp; I have=20
moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound =
cards=20
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playback=20
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you got=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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is a maze of=20
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sony=20
output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com" title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com>Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com"=20
  title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com>slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, 2000 =
1:13=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
  cards</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
  cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what I =
can tell=20
  are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. My HA =
server=20
  runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added the =
second card,=20
  Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I was ready for =
some=20
  major problems, but I didn't run into any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>You =
set one of the=20
  cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card for all =
of the=20
  system sounds and most other programs will use this card for their =
sounds. But=20
  if you have a program that supports using a different&nbsp;sound card, =
like=20
  CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound card that =
program=20
  uses. If you're writing your own program there's a document on =
Microsoft's=20
  site that explains how to choose different sound cards using VB. I =
haven't=20
  really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty straight =
forward.=20
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server I=20
  have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop speakers, =
CDJ sends=20
  MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my =
amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D160400018-27102000>-Shawn</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf=20
    Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 =

    PM<BR><B>To:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[slinkelist] Two=20
    sound cards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There has been some talk about =
using two sound=20
    cards on this list.&nbsp; Many questions come to mind.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do the choices of cards =
matter?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What settings are =
needed?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you direct different sounds to =
different=20
    cards?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your help,&nbsp;=20
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:00 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:00 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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Go to Radio Shack and get one of those automobile hum noise reducers.  It
has RCA in and out and does the trick.  I have one hooked up on the back of
my PC before it goes into the mixer that combines the output from the CD
players.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 AM
  To: Shawn Boyle
  Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. Schaaf
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum


  I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right the
first after install.  However, after that the default card took over and
played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj still showed
the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the pudding.  Any
thoughts about this?

  Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and
even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still no
help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are
you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic
bullet?

  I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from the
new SB Live! 5.1 card
  Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

  Thanks,
  Carl
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Shawn Boyle
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
    Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working.
I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much
worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into any.

    You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use this
card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a
different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose
which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your own program
there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different
sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it
seemed pretty straight forward.

    On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected
to my amp.

    -Shawn
      -----Original Message-----
      From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
      Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
      To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
      Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


      There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.
Many questions come to mind.
      Do the choices of cards matter?
      What settings are needed?
      Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
      Thanks for your help,  carl

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Radio Shack and get one of those automobile hum noise reducers.&nbsp; It =
has RCA=20
in and out and does the trick.&nbsp; I have one hooked up on the back of =
my PC=20
before it goes into the mixer that combines the output from the CD=20
players.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com=20
  [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Carl J.=20
  Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Shawn=20
  Boyle<BR><B>Cc:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. =
Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with =
a SB AWE 64=20
  as default and a D-man card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with =
cdj.&nbsp;=20
  Well, It worked right the first after install.&nbsp; However, after =
that the=20
  default card took over and played everything, including mp3 with =
cdj!&nbsp;=20
  The settings in cdj still showed&nbsp; the auxilliary card in control, =
but the=20
  proof is in the pudding.&nbsp; Any thoughts about this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I=20
  put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon receiver for =
playback.&nbsp;=20
  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even =
changed sound=20
  cards and still no help.&nbsp; You Slinker's out all talk about your =
mp3/cd=20
  playback mixes,!&nbsp; Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum =
or have=20
  you got some magic bullet?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have even tried digital out but =
that is a maze=20
  of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a =
new=20
  sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in =
Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
  style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com" title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com>Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com"=20
    title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com>slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, =
2000 1:13=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
    cards</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
    cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what =
I can=20
    tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. =
My HA=20
    server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added =
the=20
    second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I =
was=20
    ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into=20
any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160400018-27102000>You set one of=20
    the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card =
for all of=20
    the system sounds and most other programs will use this card for =
their=20
    sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a =
different&nbsp;sound=20
    card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound =
card=20
    that program uses. If you're writing your own program there's a =
document on=20
    Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different sound cards =
using VB.=20
    I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty =
straight=20
    forward. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server=20
    I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop =
speakers, CDJ=20
    sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my=20
    amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000>-Shawn</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
      <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
      size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
      slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On=20
      Behalf Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, =
2000=20
      11:01 PM<BR><B>To:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
      [slinkelist] Two sound cards<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There has been some talk about =
using two=20
      sound cards on this list.&nbsp; Many questions come to =
mind.</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Do the choices of cards =
matter?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What settings are =
needed?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Can you direct different sounds =
to different=20
      cards?</FONT></DIV>
      <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for your help,&nbsp;=20
    =
carl</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:31 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:16:31 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
DCOM and Slinkesrv.

The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do with DCOM and
Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.

I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
from any location in the house.

I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
for a specific song and add it to the playlist.

I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld remotes or wall
mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
better solution than VNC.

Regards,
Keith Weldon

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To:	Michael Holopainen
Cc:	Slinke-List
Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From mike@macgirvin.com Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:21:07 -0800
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 05:21:07 -0800
From: Mike Macgirvin mike@macgirvin.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

> Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon
> receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound
> cards and still no help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are you putting
> up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic bullet?
>  
> I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical
> and even a new sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card
> Sign me "Confused in Ohio"
>  

You've got a ground loop between the stereo and PC. Go down to your
local car stereo outlet or other consumer electronic place and buy
yourself a stereo isolation transformer. You'll usually find them with
the auto-stereo stuff. Costs between 10 and 20 bucks. Plug it in between
the two systems.




From mkropp@cathouse.mv.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:54:45 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 08:54:45 -0500
From: Mike Kropp mkropp@cathouse.mv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From ricke@microsoft.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 05:59:57 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 05:59:57 -0800
From: Rick Engle ricke@microsoft.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems as
well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.
Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com <http://www.stereo-link.com/> 
 
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:07:20 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:07:20 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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Can you address it as a separate device in CDJ with the "Play MP3 through"
option?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Rick Engle
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 AM
  To: cjrose@mediaone.net
  Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
  Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...


  Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems
as well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.

  Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com



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  [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Rick=20
  Engle<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  cjrose@mediaone.net<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
slinkelist@nirvis.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  [slinkelist] hum solution...<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
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face=3DArial=20
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12.0pt">Hi=20
  Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I had bad hum problems as =
well.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I pipe all of my PC audio =
out to a=20
  Phast audio distribution system and stumbled across a great product =
called=20
  SteroLink, which does a direct digital to analog conversion and =
bypasses the=20
  sound card, it uses a USB sound driver.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp; </SPAN>I can crank up the =
music or even=20
  tuen the volume completely down on my amp and here no hum at all.<SPAN =

  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>Its $199 but worth=20
  it.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">Check=20
  it out at <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.stereo-link.com/">http://www.stereo-link.com</A><o:p><=
/o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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12.0pt"><SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN>Rick<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:11:52 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:11:52 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and you
have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as clean
as the application.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Kropp
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From shawn@sboyle.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:42:13 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 11:42:13 -0500
From: Shawn Boyle shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

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Double check your settings in the Sounds applet [on the control panel]. The
couple of problems that I had with setting up two sound cards were all
related to Windows. I had only two sound cards installed but Windows gave me
three choices when selecting my default card. One of them caused my whole
system to choke and the other two were the actual sound cards. I'd check
this setting and make sure that Windows hasn't grabbed your other sound card
[for whatever reason] and made it the default. I also found that which PCI
[I'm assuming these two cards are PCI] slot the cards were in made a
difference. As a last resort you might want to try swapping the two cards
around.

Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard [from this list
I think] is to connect the chassis of your computer to the chassis of your
amp. I haven't tried this yet but I think someone else on this list has.
It'd certainly be worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator
from RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not be worth
it if you have to run another wire.

-Shawn
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Carl J. Rose [mailto:cjrose@mediaone.net]
  Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 12:40 AM
  To: Shawn Boyle
  Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com; John W. Schaaf
  Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum


  I tried the two sound card thing with a SB AWE 64 as default and a D-man
card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with cdj.  Well, It worked right the
first after install.  However, after that the default card took over and
played everything, including mp3 with cdj!  The settings in cdj still showed
the auxilliary card in control, but the proof is in the pudding.  Any
thoughts about this?

  Also, I have a terrible problem with hum when I put my audio out from my
sound card intomy Denon receiver for playback.  I have moved the unit and
even tried a Pioneer receiver and even changed sound cards and still no
help.  You Slinker's out all talk about your mp3/cd playback mixes,!  Are
you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum or have you got some magic
bullet?

  I have even tried digital out but that is a maze of output types like
spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a new sony output from the
new SB Live! 5.1 card
  Sign me "Confused in Ohio"

  Thanks,
  Carl
    ----- Original Message -----
    From: Shawn Boyle
    To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
    Sent: Friday, October 27, 2000 1:13 PM
    Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


    I use two SB PCI cards. They have two slightly different model numbers
but from what I can tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier
than expected. My HA server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working.
I just added the second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much
worked. I was ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into any.

    You set one of the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use
this card for all of the system sounds and most other programs will use this
card for their sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a
different sound card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose
which sound card that program uses. If you're writing your own program
there's a document on Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different
sound cards using VB. I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it
seemed pretty straight forward.

    On my HA server I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of
desktop speakers, CDJ sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected
to my amp.

    -Shawn
      -----Original Message-----
      From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
      Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 11:01 PM
      To: slinkeList@nirvis.com
      Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards


      There has been some talk about using two sound cards on this list.
Many questions come to mind.
      Do the choices of cards matter?
      What settings are needed?
      Can you direct different sounds to different cards?
      Thanks for your help,  carl

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D320072816-04112000>Another solution for=20
the ground loop problem that I've heard [from this list I think] is to =
connect=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Carl J. Rose=20
  [mailto:cjrose@mediaone.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 04, =
2000 12:40=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> Shawn Boyle<BR><B>Cc:</B> slinkeList@nirvis.com; John =
W.=20
  Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and=20
  hum<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried the two sound card thing with =
a SB AWE 64=20
  as default and a D-man card with RCA in and out to play mp3 with =
cdj.&nbsp;=20
  Well, It worked right the first after install.&nbsp; However, after =
that the=20
  default card took over and played everything, including mp3 with =
cdj!&nbsp;=20
  The settings in cdj still showed&nbsp; the auxilliary card in control, =
but the=20
  proof is in the pudding.&nbsp; Any thoughts about this?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also, I have a terrible problem with =
hum when I=20
  put my audio out from my sound card intomy Denon receiver for =
playback.&nbsp;=20
  I have moved the unit and even tried a Pioneer receiver and even =
changed sound=20
  cards and still no help.&nbsp; You Slinker's out all talk about your =
mp3/cd=20
  playback mixes,!&nbsp; Are you putting up with a pretty noticeable hum =
or have=20
  you got some magic bullet?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have even tried digital out but =
that is a maze=20
  of output types like spdif and electrical spdif and optical and even a =
new=20
  sony output from the new SB Live! 5.1 card</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sign me "Confused in =
Ohio"</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
    <A title=3Dshawn@sboyle.com href=3D"mailto:shawn@sboyle.com">Shawn =
Boyle</A>=20
    </DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DslinkeList@nirvis.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:slinkeList@nirvis.com">slinkeList@nirvis.com</A> =
</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, October 27, =
2000 1:13=20
    PM</DIV>
    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] Two =
sound=20
    cards</DIV>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>I =
use two SB PCI=20
    cards. They have two slightly different model numbers but from what =
I can=20
    tell are exactly the same. The setup was much easier than expected. =
My HA=20
    server runs Win2K Pro, and already had one SB working. I just added =
the=20
    second card, Windows found it, and everything pretty much worked. I =
was=20
    ready for some major problems, but I didn't run into=20
any.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D160400018-27102000>You set one of=20
    the cards as the default sound device. Windows will use this card =
for all of=20
    the system sounds and most other programs will use this card for =
their=20
    sounds. But if you have a program that supports using a =
different&nbsp;sound=20
    card, like CDJ [thanks again Colby], then you can choose which sound =
card=20
    that program uses. If you're writing your own program there's a =
document on=20
    Microsoft's site that explains how to choose different sound cards =
using VB.=20
    I haven't really looked at it but on first glance it seemed pretty =
straight=20
    forward. </SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN class=3D160400018-27102000>On =
my HA server=20
    I have all of the system sounds go to a small set of desktop =
speakers, CDJ=20
    sends MP3 output to the other card which is connected to my=20
    amp.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
    class=3D160400018-27102000></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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      Behalf Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 26, =
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From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:23:51 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 09:23:51 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] Calculating the CRCC for the Q-Subcode on SPDIF

My turn to ask a question :)

I'm writing a program to record digital audio to disk using a RME Digi96
sound card. I'm using the Q-Subcode information on the SPDIF signal to
divide the tracks as exactly as I can. I've noticed that the Q-Subcode has
errors in it occasionally and I would like to be able to identify and ignore
these Q-Subcode frames by checking them against their included CRCC, but I'm
running into a couple of problems:

1) I don't know what method is being used to calculate the CRCC. I've tried
all 16-bit polynomials, but haven't found a consistent match. Maybe I'm
running the block through the shift registers in the wrong byte/bit order?

2) The Q-Subcode frame is 98 bits long on the CD, but only 96 bits in size
on the SPDIF signal (missing the S0 and S1 bits), so hopefully the CRCC
doesn't use S0 and S1 right? I guess I could do a CRCC against all 4
possible S bit combinations...

Thanks,

Colby





From ricke@microsoft.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:08:17 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:08:17 -0800
From: Rick Engle ricke@microsoft.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

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I'm not sure, I see the dev/wave and dev/dsound options under the dropdown
in CDJ/options but I'm not sure what audio device they correspond to.   I
have my USB audio out set as the default from within the Win 2000 control
panel.
    Rick
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Mason [mailto:simon@themasons.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:07 AM
To: Rick Engle; cjrose@mediaone.net
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] hum solution...
 
Can you address it as a separate device in CDJ with the "Play MP3 through"
option?
-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Rick Engle
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:00 AM
To: cjrose@mediaone.net
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...
Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.  I had bad hum problems as
well.  I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution system
and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which does a direct
digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound card, it uses a USB
sound driver.   I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely
down on my amp and here no hum at all.  Its $199 but worth it.
Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com <http://www.stereo-link.com/> 
 
   Rick
 
 

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10:07 AM<br>
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cjrose@mediaone.net<br>
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: =
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list.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I had bad hum problems as =
well.<span
style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </span>I pipe all of my PC audio out =
to a Phast
audio distribution system and stumbled across a great product called =
SteroLink,
which does a direct digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound =
card,
it uses a USB sound driver.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;&nbsp;
</span>I can crank up the music or even tuen the volume completely down =
on my
amp and here no hum at all.<span style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</span>Its
$199 but worth it.<o:p></o:p></span></font></span></p>

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From mhansen@alarmlink.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:23:23 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 10:23:23 -0800
From: Michael E. Hansen mhansen@alarmlink.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Client/Server

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For Those of you who may be looking for a client/server application here =
is an application that needs to be tested. There is not much in the way =
of documentation or help yet. The server runs on a machine with =
SlinkeServe. The program also does X10, Lightolier Multiset and =
Brilliance, Statnet and RCS thermostats, Xantech ZPR68, etc. It is =
licensed by the module and each module will be $99. It can be run in =
demo mode for short periods. This is a VB6 app and I am considering =
making the source for the client available.

I would appreciate any feedback if you would like to try it out.

http://www.homelinkautomation.com/Download/HLServerSetup.EXE
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From jfost@pacbell.net Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:18:16 -0800
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 18:18:16 -0800
From: Justin Foster jfost@pacbell.net
Subject: [slinkelist] hum solution...

Rick:

Thanks for the link...I just looked over the site and this product looks
great...I have been disturbed that my sound card was the "weak link" in
my system and now that I have Slink-e fading between CD's and MP3's, I
was cringing at the quality of the MP3 tracks!

I just placed an order and will give it a try as soon as it
arrives...have you experienced any problems getting it to work with
CDJ...do I need to change any settings in the software?

Thanks

Justin



Rick Engle wrote:

> Hi Carl, I saw your message on the slink-e list.I had bad hum problems
> as well.I pipe all of my PC audio out to a Phast audio distribution
> system and stumbled across a great product called SteroLink, which
> does a direct digital to analog conversion and bypasses the sound
> card, it uses a USB sound driver.I can crank up the music or even tuen
> the volume completely down on my amp and here no hum at all.Its $199
> but worth it.
>
> Check it out at http://www.stereo-link.com
>
> Rick
>





From keith.weldon@weldondesign.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:22:50 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:22:50 -0500
From: Keith Weldon keith.weldon@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

I have found performance to be excellent on a LAN (10 or 100 Mbps Ethernet)
with reasonable PC hardware.  The beauty of VNC is that the client and
server negotiate to establish optimal performance on what ever
communications links and hardware they find themselves on.


Keith

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Kropp
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
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From keith.weldon@weldondesign.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:42:41 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:42:41 -0500
From: Keith Weldon keith.weldon@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Like pcAnywhere, VNC provides remote control of a PC.  The architecture and
protocols are different, but the end effect is the same.

Unlike a pcAnywhere host, my VNC server does not need a keyboard, mouse or
display connected. I run my server as a "brick" sitting in my audio
equipment rack. When needed, I use one of the PC's in the bedroom, kitchen
or family room to "service" the server.

I also like VNC's ability to let multiple client machines simultaneously
connect and control the server machine.  I don't think pcAnywhere provides
that capability (but someone please correct me on that if I am wrong).

Hope this helps.
Keith Weldon

-----Original Message-----
From: Simon Mason [mailto:simon@themasons.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Keith
Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
DCOM and Slinkesrv.

The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do with DCOM and
Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.

I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
from any location in the house.

I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
for a specific song and add it to the playlist.

I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld remotes or wall
mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
better solution than VNC.

Regards,
Keith Weldon

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
To:	Michael Holopainen
Cc:	Slinke-List
Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)

From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd have to scroll
around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
up on the server's screen.

As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with library/covers
paths.

I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation, the pain of
dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.

All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for about $50,
and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and DXS ports
on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct connection to
the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get around to
messing with it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
To: Igal, Saleh
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls


Have you tried VNC ??

http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html

I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :

1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
6. Easy to set up
7. Small prog
8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
9. no need for slinkeserv
10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
actually works
11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine

-michael (A)

"Igal, Saleh" wrote:
>
> I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
slinkesrv.
> The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It works great --
I
> get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
>
> There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
have
> to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
CDJ
> crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
>
> The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
significant
> difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to running CDJ
on
> the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
>
> If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
LAN.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> To: Slinke-List
> Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
> I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from the PC to the
> Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
room
> to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
>
> I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the office, but
> now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
living
> room.
>
> I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
feedback
> I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if necessary to
> put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
room
> and office.
>
> Ideas, anyone?
>
> Thanks,
> Ron
>
> ================================================
> Ron Tugender
> 408-378-0777
> ron@tugender.com
>
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From keith.weldon@weldondesign.com Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:56:53 -0500
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 22:56:53 -0500
From: Keith Weldon keith.weldon@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that allows any web
browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
network (intra- extra- or inter-net).

The client machine does not need the VNC client software to remotely control
the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
server machine.

If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)

Hope this helps
Keith Weldon

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Simon Mason
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and you
have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as clean
as the application.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Kropp
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show

> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From guineau@earthlink.net Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:36:17 -0800
Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:36:17 -0800
From: W. John Guineau guineau@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

I use VNC to connect between work and home all the time (and between various
machines at each end as well) and think it's great!

Keith - I didn't know there was an HTTP server built into it!
I'll have to read up on how to enable it...

john

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> allows any web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> remotely control
> the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> anywhere, and you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> be as clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > --
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> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > | Michael Holopainen | Valuraudantie 25 | Tel: +358-(0)9-35093825  |
> > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
> > | Laserle Oy         | Finland          | email: michael@laserle.fi|
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From keith.weldon@weldondesign.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:13:45 -0500
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 00:13:45 -0500
From: Keith Weldon keith.weldon@weldondesign.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

John - nothing to "enable". The VNC web server is listening on port 5800.

Just type in "http://192.168.0.1:5800" into your browser and away it goes.

192.168.0.1 happens to be my server's IP address, substitute yours and it
should work.

Hope this helps
Keith Weldon

P.S. port 5800 works when you are running a single VNC server on a machine.
Check the FAQ in the VNC documentation if you are running more than one VNC
server.

-----Original Message-----
From: W. John Guineau [mailto:guineau@earthlink.net]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:36 PM
To: keith.weldon@weldondesign.com; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)



I use VNC to connect between work and home all the time (and between various
machines at each end as well) and think it's great!

Keith - I didn't know there was an HTTP server built into it!
I'll have to read up on how to enable it...

john

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> allows any web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> remotely control
> the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> anywhere, and you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> be as clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > --
> >    --"Would you fly on airplane controlled by MS Windows ?"--
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > | Michael Holopainen | Valuraudantie 25 | Tel: +358-(0)9-35093825  |
> > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
> > | Laserle Oy         | Finland          | email: michael@laserle.fi|
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From mike@macgirvin.com Sat, 04 Nov 2000 22:56:18 -0800
Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2000 22:56:18 -0800
From: Mike Macgirvin mike@macgirvin.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

> Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard [from this list I think] is to connect the chassis of your
> computer to the chassis of your amp. I haven't tried this yet but I think someone else on this list has. It'd certainly be
> worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator from RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not
> be worth it if you have to run another wire.
>  
> -Shawn

With all due respects, this is essentially what has been done by
connecting the stereo lines between the systems. This is not a cure for
a ground loop, it is the cause. The computer is *generally* grounded
through the three-prong plug to the electrical box in your house and
presumably, eventually to a water line or fixed ground stake or such.
The stereo is *generally* grounded through the cable line (which must be
grounded at the inlet box) using a path of slightly or dramatically
different length; since most stereos still use 2-prong power mains. If
the ground paths on these systems are different lengths
(impedance/resistance to earth ground), and you connect the stereo
input/output lines together, you have created a ground loop. Same as if
you connect the frames together. You must break the link between the
systems *or* ensure that both are exactly the same electrical distance
to earth reference ground. The former is relatively easy with isolation
transformers, the latter could be very hard and possibly extremely
expensive, as it means that you would have to re-wire the house to make
sure that all "ground prongs" on electrical outlets and cable-TV outlets
are exactly the same electrical length to earth. 

The only way this solution (tie-together) works is if your stereo can be
lifted from ground completely ("floated") and does not have any ties to
ground except through the computer. This generally rules out having a
cable-TV connection in the system unless you isolate it. Cable-TV
isolators are available as well, but most folks prefer to use stereo
audio line isolators instead because isolators always have a wee bit of
loss and this generally affects high-frequency video signals much more
than audio signals. 

The absolute cheapest solution you can try is to plug the computer in
via a "widow-maker" power line which has the ground wire disconnected
(cut off the ground prong). This assumes the computer isn't pulling in a
ground reference somewhere else through one of your peripherals. If this
removes the hum, great but it's called a "widow-maker" for a reason.
Your computer would now be floating and you could possibly be subject to
deadly shock. Rare, but not impossible. If you're reading between the
lines here, the isolator is really the best way out.




From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Sun, 05 Nov 2000 06:55:54 -0500
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 06:55:54 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sound Cards & the DXS

I want to connect my sound card to my DXS unit. Problem is the card seems to
put out a constant signal, thus causing problems with the auto-switching
function of the DXS (I have 6 Sony CD changers as well)

Colby mentioned this problem before and suggested a sound card but I have
lost the note and hate to ask again for it (Sorry Colby).

I'm also interested in what others are doing to avoid this problem. How
would this interact with the Stereo Link product?

Thanks

Parker





From teepe@gmx.net Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:07:05 +0100
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:07:05 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: AW: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

Hi Colby !

The new version has the skipping problem again !

Grtx.
Gerd Teepe






From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:43:25 -0800
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:43:25 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum

I really think the best approach is to just use digital sound cards with
either optical (inherently isolated) or transformer-coupled coaxial outputs.
I like the RME Digi96 line of sound cards. They are PCI card with great
drivers that support multiple cards

Benefits:

* ground loops solved
* sound quality issues solved
* quality cabling cheap (can use RG-6 for coax runs)

Drawbacks:

* more expensive sound card ($80-$1000)
* need digital input on your stereo or an external DAC

Colby



> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Macgirvin
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:56 PM
> To: Shawn Boyle
> Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum
>
>
> > Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard
> [from this list I think] is to connect the chassis of your
> > computer to the chassis of your amp. I haven't tried this yet
> but I think someone else on this list has. It'd certainly be
> > worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator from
> RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not
> > be worth it if you have to run another wire.
> >
> > -Shawn
>
> With all due respects, this is essentially what has been done by
> connecting the stereo lines between the systems. This is not a cure for
> a ground loop, it is the cause. The computer is *generally* grounded
> through the three-prong plug to the electrical box in your house and
> presumably, eventually to a water line or fixed ground stake or such.
> The stereo is *generally* grounded through the cable line (which must be
> grounded at the inlet box) using a path of slightly or dramatically
> different length; since most stereos still use 2-prong power mains. If
> the ground paths on these systems are different lengths
> (impedance/resistance to earth ground), and you connect the stereo
> input/output lines together, you have created a ground loop. Same as if
> you connect the frames together. You must break the link between the
> systems *or* ensure that both are exactly the same electrical distance
> to earth reference ground. The former is relatively easy with isolation
> transformers, the latter could be very hard and possibly extremely
> expensive, as it means that you would have to re-wire the house to make
> sure that all "ground prongs" on electrical outlets and cable-TV outlets
> are exactly the same electrical length to earth.
>
> The only way this solution (tie-together) works is if your stereo can be
> lifted from ground completely ("floated") and does not have any ties to
> ground except through the computer. This generally rules out having a
> cable-TV connection in the system unless you isolate it. Cable-TV
> isolators are available as well, but most folks prefer to use stereo
> audio line isolators instead because isolators always have a wee bit of
> loss and this generally affects high-frequency video signals much more
> than audio signals.
>
> The absolute cheapest solution you can try is to plug the computer in
> via a "widow-maker" power line which has the ground wire disconnected
> (cut off the ground prong). This assumes the computer isn't pulling in a
> ground reference somewhere else through one of your peripherals. If this
> removes the hum, great but it's called a "widow-maker" for a reason.
> Your computer would now be floating and you could possibly be subject to
> deadly shock. Rare, but not impossible. If you're reading between the
> lines here, the isolator is really the best way out.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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From guineau@earthlink.net Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:01:47 -0800
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:01:47 -0800
From: W. John Guineau guineau@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Whoa! That is very cool! It seems to work great!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:14 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> John - nothing to "enable". The VNC web server is listening on port 5800.
>
> Just type in "http://192.168.0.1:5800" into your browser and away it goes.
>
> 192.168.0.1 happens to be my server's IP address, substitute yours and it
> should work.
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> P.S. port 5800 works when you are running a single VNC server on
> a machine.
> Check the FAQ in the VNC documentation if you are running more
> than one VNC
> server.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: W. John Guineau [mailto:guineau@earthlink.net]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:36 PM
> To: keith.weldon@weldondesign.com; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
>
> I use VNC to connect between work and home all the time (and
> between various
> machines at each end as well) and think it's great!
>
> Keith - I didn't know there was an HTTP server built into it!
> I'll have to read up on how to enable it...
>
> john
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:57 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> > allows any web
> > browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> > network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
> >
> > The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> > remotely control
> > the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP
> connectivity to the
> > server machine.
> >
> > If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the
> Internet, all you
> > would need to know is its IP address and password and you could
> control it
> > from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> > anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > The most obvious client server approach would be a web based
> version.  Run
> > the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> > anywhere, and you
> > have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio
> output from the
> > mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is
> running.  This
> > would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> > probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> > be as clean
> > as the application.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > Control than
> > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > with DCOM and
> > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > >
> > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > each bedroom
> > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > CDJ and the
> > > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what
> is playing
> > > from any location in the house.
> > >
> > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > keyboard to search
> > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > multi-room control
> > > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > > remotes or wall
> > > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't
> think of a
> > > better solution than VNC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > >
> > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has
> a 1024X768
> > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > have to scroll
> > > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > -- if I was
> > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > would show
> >
> > > up on the server's screen.
> > >
> > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > don't use the
> > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > library/covers
> > > paths.
> > >
> > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM
> was a poor
> > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > encapsulated HTTP
> > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > access from
> > > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > Slink-e from
> > > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > > the pain of
> > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > >
> > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > about $50,
> > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > Telnet, putting
> > > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > redirector
> > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > DXS ports
> > > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > connection to
> > > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > around to
> > > messing with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > >
> > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > >
> > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > >
> > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > 7. Small prog
> > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > actually works
> > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > >
> > > -michael (A)
> > >
> > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > slinkesrv.
> > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> > I'm anywhere
> > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > > works great --
> > > I
> > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > >
> > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > data, so I
> > > have
> > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > Second, if
> > > CDJ
> > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > significant
> > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server
> versus the
> > > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > running CDJ
> > > on
> > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > >
> > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > and wireless
> > > LAN.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > simple way.
> > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > controlling a pair of
> > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > the PC to the
> > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in
> the living
> > > room
> > > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> > listening in the
> > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was
> convenient enough.
> > > >
> > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > the living
> > > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > office, but
> > > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> > control the Sony
> > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > > living
> > > > room.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > > feedback
> > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have
> already done
> > > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > necessary to
> > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > the living
> > > room
> > > > and office.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
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> > > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
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> > >
> > >
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> >
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From jimglidewell@home.com Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:14:12 -0800
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:14:12 -0800
From: James Glidewell jimglidewell@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database

I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.

I installed:
Win95 SR2
Full Slinke install (092600 release)

When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
"Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
info, I get a COM error:

  COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database

and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.

Since the initial failure, I have tried:

Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.

No luck.

Discard the user.mdb file and start again.

No luck.

Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?

I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
"helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.

Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?

Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff 
I might do to free up some system related memory?

Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(

Thanks for any help!




From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:24:33 -0800
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:24:33 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database

Did you install MDAC 2.5? You can get this at MS or it is included if you
download the latest full installation. 8mb could be trouble...

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of James Glidewell
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:14 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com; help@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
>
> I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
> CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.
>
> I installed:
> Win95 SR2
> Full Slinke install (092600 release)
>
> When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
> "Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
> info, I get a COM error:
>
>   COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
> and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.
>
> Since the initial failure, I have tried:
>
> Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.
>
> No luck.
>
> Discard the user.mdb file and start again.
>
> No luck.
>
> Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?
>
> I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
> "helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
> need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.
>
> Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?
>
> Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff
> I might do to free up some system related memory?
>
> Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
> that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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From gdesai@Doculabs.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0600
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0600
From: Gautam Desai gdesai@Doculabs.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my home.  I just
fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own personal remote
jukebox.  It is simply amazing.  I've tried everything from Windows Terminal
Server to PC Anywhere.  VNC is far superior in its ability to do multi-point
control (many machines can see and control a single machine).  In addition
it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device!  Best of all it's free.

-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that allows any web
browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
network (intra- extra- or inter-net).

The client machine does not need the VNC client software to remotely control
the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
server machine.

If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)

Hope this helps
Keith Weldon

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Simon Mason
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and you
have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as clean
as the application.

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mike Kropp
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show

> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
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From jimglidewell@home.com Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:23:47 -0800
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:23:47 -0800
From: Jim Glidewell jimglidewell@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database

Colby wrote:

>Did you install MDAC 2.5? You can get this at MS or it is included if you
>download the latest full installation. 8mb could be trouble...

I installed MDAC 2.5 and reinstalled DCOM95 just in case.

It fixed the error message, but replaced it with another:

CDJ says:
 
"An error occurred while attempting to use MS ADO 2.1. Please
make sure that you have this component installed before
using the database features of CDJ."

A subsequent error box says:

Error

Code = 8002000a
       Out of present range
       (null)
       (null)

It's looking more and more like an out-of-memory condition to me.

Any suggestions of how to trim Win 95's memory footprint?

Alternatively, how does the client/server version work with
DCOM? Can I run the CDJ front-end (or Party GUI) on the
laptop, while running the database on another box in the
closet?

Does the DB reside on the server? Or the client?

I assume the slinke is connected to the server's
serial port...

Thanks again for your help...

Jim




From mkropp@cathouse.mv.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:07:25 -0500
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:07:25 -0500
From: Mike Kropp mkropp@cathouse.mv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

How do you get any performance out of it?  I found way too slow to be
useable running over the LAN at home.  I can't imagine using a modem.

--Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Gautam Desai
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:30 PM
> To: 'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my home.  I just
> fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own personal remote
> jukebox.  It is simply amazing.  I've tried everything from
> Windows Terminal
> Server to PC Anywhere.  VNC is far superior in its ability to do
> multi-point
> control (many machines can see and control a single machine).  In addition
> it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device!  Best of all it's free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> allows any web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> remotely control
> the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> anywhere, and you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> be as clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
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From jfost@pacbell.net Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:44:52 -0800
Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:44:52 -0800
From: Justin Foster jfost@pacbell.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Universal Remotes to Use with CDJ

Any ideas on a simple universal remote that I could buy, knowing that I
would already have the XXXir.cde file to make them work...I would really
like to have a couple of these around the house to control CDJ.

Thanks

Justin






From guineau@earthlink.net Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:08:07 -0800
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 16:08:07 -0800
From: W. John Guineau guineau@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

My lan at home is a mix of 100 and 10Mbit and I have no problem on it at
all. My (slower - 2Mb) cable modem is a breeze as well.

john

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:07 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> How do you get any performance out of it?  I found way too slow to be
> useable running over the LAN at home.  I can't imagine using a modem.
>
> --Mike
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Gautam Desai
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:30 PM
> > To: 'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> > music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my
> home.  I just
> > fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own
> personal remote
> > jukebox.  It is simply amazing.  I've tried everything from
> > Windows Terminal
> > Server to PC Anywhere.  VNC is far superior in its ability to do
> > multi-point
> > control (many machines can see and control a single machine).
> In addition
> > it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> > Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device!  Best of all it's free.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> > allows any web
> > browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> > network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
> >
> > The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> > remotely control
> > the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP
> connectivity to the
> > server machine.
> >
> > If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the
> Internet, all you
> > would need to know is its IP address and password and you could
> control it
> > from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> > anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > The most obvious client server approach would be a web based
> version.  Run
> > the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> > anywhere, and you
> > have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio
> output from the
> > mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is
> running.  This
> > would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> > probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> > be as clean
> > as the application.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > Control than
> > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > with DCOM and
> > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > >
> > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > each bedroom
> > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > CDJ and the
> > > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what
> is playing
> > > from any location in the house.
> > >
> > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > keyboard to search
> > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > multi-room control
> > > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > > remotes or wall
> > > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't
> think of a
> > > better solution than VNC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > >
> > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has
> a 1024X768
> > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > have to scroll
> > > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > -- if I was
> > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > would show
> >
> > > up on the server's screen.
> > >
> > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > don't use the
> > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > library/covers
> > > paths.
> > >
> > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM
> was a poor
> > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > encapsulated HTTP
> > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > access from
> > > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > Slink-e from
> > > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > > the pain of
> > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > >
> > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > about $50,
> > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > Telnet, putting
> > > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > redirector
> > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > DXS ports
> > > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > connection to
> > > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > around to
> > > messing with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > >
> > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > >
> > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > >
> > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > 7. Small prog
> > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > actually works
> > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > >
> > > -michael (A)
> > >
> > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > slinkesrv.
> > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> > I'm anywhere
> > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > > works great --
> > > I
> > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > >
> > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > data, so I
> > > have
> > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > Second, if
> > > CDJ
> > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > significant
> > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server
> versus the
> > > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > running CDJ
> > > on
> > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > >
> > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > and wireless
> > > LAN.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > simple way.
> > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > controlling a pair of
> > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > the PC to the
> > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in
> the living
> > > room
> > > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> > listening in the
> > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was
> convenient enough.
> > > >
> > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > the living
> > > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > office, but
> > > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> > control the Sony
> > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > > living
> > > > room.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > > feedback
> > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have
> already done
> > > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > necessary to
> > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > the living
> > > room
> > > > and office.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > >
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From cody250@home.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:59:23 -0500
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:59:23 -0500
From: Michael Cody cody250@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #429 - 5 msgs

Why does my CDJ sometimes not pick up all the tracks written onto a CD
played in my Sony 300 disk player - I have recognize "Cd-text' on in CDJ and
it shows up on the player - any ideas?


----- Original Message -----
From: <slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:32 PM
Subject: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #429 - 5 msgs


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>   1. RE: Two sound cards and hum (Colby Boles)
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>   3. COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database (James Glidewell)
>   4. RE: COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database (Colby Boles)
>   5. RE:  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM) (Gautam Desai)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "Colby Boles" <cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU>
> To: "Mike Macgirvin" <mike@macgirvin.com>, "Shawn Boyle"
<shawn@sboyle.com>
> Cc: <slinkeList@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:43:25 -0800
> charset="US-ASCII"
>
> I really think the best approach is to just use digital sound cards with
> either optical (inherently isolated) or transformer-coupled coaxial
outputs.
> I like the RME Digi96 line of sound cards. They are PCI card with great
> drivers that support multiple cards
>
> Benefits:
>
> * ground loops solved
> * sound quality issues solved
> * quality cabling cheap (can use RG-6 for coax runs)
>
> Drawbacks:
>
> * more expensive sound card ($80-$1000)
> * need digital input on your stereo or an external DAC
>
> Colby
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Macgirvin
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:56 PM
> > To: Shawn Boyle
> > Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum
> >
> >
> > > Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard
> > [from this list I think] is to connect the chassis of your
> > > computer to the chassis of your amp. I haven't tried this yet
> > but I think someone else on this list has. It'd certainly be
> > > worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator from
> > RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not
> > > be worth it if you have to run another wire.
> > >
> > > -Shawn
> >
> > With all due respects, this is essentially what has been done by
> > connecting the stereo lines between the systems. This is not a cure for
> > a ground loop, it is the cause. The computer is *generally* grounded
> > through the three-prong plug to the electrical box in your house and
> > presumably, eventually to a water line or fixed ground stake or such.
> > The stereo is *generally* grounded through the cable line (which must be
> > grounded at the inlet box) using a path of slightly or dramatically
> > different length; since most stereos still use 2-prong power mains. If
> > the ground paths on these systems are different lengths
> > (impedance/resistance to earth ground), and you connect the stereo
> > input/output lines together, you have created a ground loop. Same as if
> > you connect the frames together. You must break the link between the
> > systems *or* ensure that both are exactly the same electrical distance
> > to earth reference ground. The former is relatively easy with isolation
> > transformers, the latter could be very hard and possibly extremely
> > expensive, as it means that you would have to re-wire the house to make
> > sure that all "ground prongs" on electrical outlets and cable-TV outlets
> > are exactly the same electrical length to earth.
> >
> > The only way this solution (tie-together) works is if your stereo can be
> > lifted from ground completely ("floated") and does not have any ties to
> > ground except through the computer. This generally rules out having a
> > cable-TV connection in the system unless you isolate it. Cable-TV
> > isolators are available as well, but most folks prefer to use stereo
> > audio line isolators instead because isolators always have a wee bit of
> > loss and this generally affects high-frequency video signals much more
> > than audio signals.
> >
> > The absolute cheapest solution you can try is to plug the computer in
> > via a "widow-maker" power line which has the ground wire disconnected
> > (cut off the ground prong). This assumes the computer isn't pulling in a
> > ground reference somewhere else through one of your peripherals. If this
> > removes the hum, great but it's called a "widow-maker" for a reason.
> > Your computer would now be floating and you could possibly be subject to
> > deadly shock. Rare, but not impossible. If you're reading between the
> > lines here, the isolator is really the best way out.
> >
> >
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> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "W. John Guineau" <guineau@earthlink.net>
> To: <keith.weldon@weldondesign.com>, <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:01:47 -0800
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Whoa! That is very cool! It seems to work great!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:14 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > John - nothing to "enable". The VNC web server is listening on port
5800.
> >
> > Just type in "http://192.168.0.1:5800" into your browser and away it
goes.
> >
> > 192.168.0.1 happens to be my server's IP address, substitute yours and
it
> > should work.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > P.S. port 5800 works when you are running a single VNC server on
> > a machine.
> > Check the FAQ in the VNC documentation if you are running more
> > than one VNC
> > server.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: W. John Guineau [mailto:guineau@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:36 PM
> > To: keith.weldon@weldondesign.com; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> >
> > I use VNC to connect between work and home all the time (and
> > between various
> > machines at each end as well) and think it's great!
> >
> > Keith - I didn't know there was an HTTP server built into it!
> > I'll have to read up on how to enable it...
> >
> > john
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:57 PM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> > > allows any web
> > > browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a
TCP/IP
> > > network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
> > >
> > > The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> > > remotely control
> > > the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP
> > connectivity to the
> > > server machine.
> > >
> > > If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the
> > Internet, all you
> > > would need to know is its IP address and password and you could
> > control it
> > > from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> > > anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > The most obvious client server approach would be a web based
> > version.  Run
> > > the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> > > anywhere, and you
> > > have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio
> > output from the
> > > mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is
> > running.  This
> > > would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> > > probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> > > be as clean
> > > as the application.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on
it.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > > Control than
> > > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > > with DCOM and
> > > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > > >
> > > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > > each bedroom
> > > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > > CDJ and the
> > > > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what
> > is playing
> > > > from any location in the house.
> > > >
> > > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest
PC,
> > > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > > keyboard to search
> > > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > > >
> > > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > > multi-room control
> > > > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > > > remotes or wall
> > > > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't
> > think of a
> > > > better solution than VNC.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Keith Weldon
> > > >
> > > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > > To: Michael Holopainen
> > > > Cc: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > > >
> > > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere,
remote
> > > > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has
> > a 1024X768
> > > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > > have to scroll
> > > > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > > -- if I was
> > > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > > would show
> > >
> > > > up on the server's screen.
> > > >
> > > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > > don't use the
> > > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > > library/covers
> > > > paths.
> > > >
> > > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM
> > was a poor
> > > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > > encapsulated HTTP
> > > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > > access from
> > > > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > > Slink-e from
> > > > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > > > the pain of
> > > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > > >
> > > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > > about $50,
> > > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > > Telnet, putting
> > > > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > > redirector
> > > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > > DXS ports
> > > > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > > connection to
> > > > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > > around to
> > > > messing with it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > > >
> > > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > > >
> > > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > > >
> > > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > > 7. Small prog
> > > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version
conflict)
> > > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > > actually works
> > > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > > >
> > > > -michael (A)
> > > >
> > > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > > slinkesrv.
> > > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> > > I'm anywhere
> > > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > > > works great --
> > > > I
> > > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > > data, so I
> > > > have
> > > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > > Second, if
> > > > CDJ
> > > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > > >
> > > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > > significant
> > > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server
> > versus the
> > > > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > > running CDJ
> > > > on
> > > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > > and wireless
> > > > LAN.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > > simple way.
> > > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > > controlling a pair of
> > > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > > the PC to the
> > > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in
> > the living
> > > > room
> > > > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> > > listening in the
> > > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was
> > convenient enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > > the living
> > > > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > > office, but
> > > > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> > > control the Sony
> > > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and
the
> > > > living
> > > > > room.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias
the
> > > > feedback
> > > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have
> > already done
> > > > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > > necessary to
> > > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > > the living
> > > > room
> > > > > and office.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > ================================================
> > > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >    --"Would you fly on airplane controlled by MS Windows ?"--
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> > > > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
> > > > | Laserle Oy         | Finland          | email: michael@laserle.fi|
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > > >
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> > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:14:12 -0800
> From: James Glidewell <jimglidewell@home.com>
> Reply-To: jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com, help@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
> I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
> CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.
>
> I installed:
> Win95 SR2
> Full Slinke install (092600 release)
>
> When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
> "Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
> info, I get a COM error:
>
>   COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
> and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.
>
> Since the initial failure, I have tried:
>
> Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.
>
> No luck.
>
> Discard the user.mdb file and start again.
>
> No luck.
>
> Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?
>
> I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
> "helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
> need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.
>
> Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?
>
> Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff
> I might do to free up some system related memory?
>
> Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
> that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Colby Boles" <cboles@nirvis.com>
> To: <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com>,
> <slinkelist@nirvis.com>,
> <help@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:24:33 -0800
> charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Did you install MDAC 2.5? You can get this at MS or it is included if you
> download the latest full installation. 8mb could be trouble...
>
> Colby
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On

> > Behalf Of James Glidewell
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:14 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com; help@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> >
> >
> > I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
> > CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.
> >
> > I installed:
> > Win95 SR2
> > Full Slinke install (092600 release)
> >
> > When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
> > "Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
> > info, I get a COM error:
> >
> >   COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> >
> > and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.
> >
> > Since the initial failure, I have tried:
> >
> > Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.
> >
> > No luck.
> >
> > Discard the user.mdb file and start again.
> >
> > No luck.
> >
> > Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?
> >
> > I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
> > "helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
> > need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.
> >
> > Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?
> >
> > Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff
> > I might do to free up some system related memory?
> >
> > Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
> > that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> From: Gautam Desai <gdesai@Doculabs.com>
> To: "'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'" <keith.weldon@weldondesign.com>,
> slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my home.  I just
> fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own personal remote
> jukebox.  It is simply amazing.  I've tried everything from Windows
Terminal
> Server to PC Anywhere.  VNC is far superior in its ability to do
multi-point
> control (many machines can see and control a single machine).  In addition
> it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device!  Best of all it's free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that allows any
web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to remotely
control
> the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and
you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as
clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control
than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each
bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and
the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to
search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room
control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To: Michael Holopainen
> > Cc: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I
was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would
show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use
the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated
HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access
from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e
from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet,
putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm
anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so
I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second,
if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and
wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple
way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair
of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in
the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the
living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the
Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the
living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
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From ivan@vaa.com.au Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:40:45 +1000
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:40:45 +1000
From: Ivan Rostas ivan@vaa.com.au
Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls

Hi Guys

Firstly, what an incredible product Colby.

Here's my two cents worth re multi-room.

I have my home-theatre PC in a rack in another room adjacent to my home
theatre, where the Slink-E communicates controls my CDPCX450 and my STRDB940
receiver, and soon my VPLVW10HT projector.

I use a Logitech Wireless RF Keyboard that seems to work beautifully despite
the RF nightmare in the rack itself.  My Sony VPLVW10HT outputs the PC
display, including CDJ.  (I want to write a little program that pops up a
genlocked control panel that incorporates all the devices in the system over
the top of whatever video signal is being outputted - but maybe I'm getting
ahead of myself...)

If I go upstairs to a networked PC in a bedroom or living room, I run
Seagate Proxy on all machines, which ala PC Anywhere and VNC, gives me
transparent proxy access to any PC, using TCP/IP, I think. (- the setup was
invisible, I havent even had to look at network settings...)

All works nicely for me.

On a new tangent - I wonder if I get an infra-red interface for my
four-channel lighting dimmer, one channel for the sconce lighting, one for
my reading light and one for hers, and the fourth channel driving an
inverting relay for my motorised projection screen to go up or down, maybe
Slink-E could learn all four IR strings, and maybe just maybe I won't have
to buy AMX to get it all to sing.

Cheers

Ivan Rostas
Gold Coast
Australia





From elwoodini@hehe.com Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:01:20 -0600
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 23:01:20 -0600
From: Elwoodini elwoodini@hehe.com
Subject: [slinkelist] [no subject]

I've noticed a little bug with the CDJ program...  I don't know if anybody
has noticed it before, but here goes...

I have CDJ and it's hooked up to a sony 400 disc changer through a slink-e.
That part works fine.  It's the MP3 part that's giving me trouble.  I
currently have about 360 hours of music in MP3 format and I've found that
after adding files to an "Audio File Album" and then quit out of the
program without playing a file from that audio file album, CDJ loses the
entire contents of the new audio file album...  It doesn't do it with all
of the audio file albums I have added.  If you have problems like this,
I've found that all you have to do is play one of the MP3s...  CDJ will
then remember all of the other mp3s in that audio file album.

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From gdesai@Doculabs.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:58:36 -0600
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 07:58:36 -0600
From: Gautam Desai gdesai@Doculabs.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

I use DSL on the home front and 56K does ok, and I use broadband when
possible (many more hotels are offering this now).

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 5:07 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


How do you get any performance out of it?  I found way too slow to be
useable running over the LAN at home.  I can't imagine using a modem.

--Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Gautam Desai
> Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 3:30 PM
> To: 'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my home.  I just
> fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own personal remote
> jukebox.  It is simply amazing.  I've tried everything from
> Windows Terminal
> Server to PC Anywhere.  VNC is far superior in its ability to do
> multi-point
> control (many machines can see and control a single machine).  In addition
> it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device!  Best of all it's free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> allows any web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> remotely control
> the server.  All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version.  Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> anywhere, and you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s.  All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running.  This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> be as clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:56:04 -0500
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:56:04 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Universal Remotes to Use with CDJ

On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 15:44:52 -0800, you wrote:

>Any ideas on a simple universal remote that I could buy, knowing that I
>would already have the XXXir.cde file to make them work...I would really
>like to have a couple of these around the house to control CDJ.

I use a Sony RM-VL900.  I'm using the Sony laserdisc device.  I used the
Sony\LD.CDE device file;  I had to add the suffix 01100.

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:45:25 -0500
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:45:25 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Slow depends on your network and your computers.  I use it at work and at
home.  Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
(slower than my work machines)and it runs great.  I even have remotely
controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation.  It is even
acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.

Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a cable modem
through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!

My two cents worth,
John.

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Keith
> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control than
> DCOM and Slinkesrv.
>
> The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> with DCOM and
> Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
>
> I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each bedroom
> simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and the
> Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> from any location in the house.
>
> I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to search
> for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
>
> I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room control
> from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> remotes or wall
> mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> better solution than VNC.
>
> Regards,
> Keith Weldon
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> To:	Michael Holopainen
> Cc:	Slinke-List
> Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
>
> >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> have to scroll
> around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I was
> on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would show
> up on the server's screen.
>
> As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use the
> mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> library/covers
> paths.
>
> I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated HTTP
> implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access from
> work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e from
> almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> the pain of
> dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
>
> All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> about $50,
> and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet, putting
> DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual redirector
> software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> DXS ports
> on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> connection to
> the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> around to
> messing with it.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> To: Igal, Saleh
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
>
>
> Have you tried VNC ??
>
> http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
>
> I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
>
> 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> 6. Easy to set up
> 7. Small prog
> 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> 9. no need for slinkeserv
> 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> actually works
> 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
>
> -michael (A)
>
> "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> >
> > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> slinkesrv.
> > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If I'm anywhere
> > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> works great --
> I
> > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> >
> > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so I
> have
> > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.  Second, if
> CDJ
> > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> >
> > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> significant
> > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> running CDJ
> on
> > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> >
> > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and wireless
> LAN.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > To: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple way.
> > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair of
> > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> the PC to the
> > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> room
> > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my listening in the
> > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> >
> > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the living
> > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> office, but
> > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to control the Sony
> > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> living
> > room.
> >
> > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> feedback
> > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> necessary to
> > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the living
> room
> > and office.
> >
> > Ideas, anyone?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ron
> >
> > ================================================
> > Ron Tugender
> > 408-378-0777
> > ron@tugender.com
> >
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From mkropp@cathouse.mv.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:42:28 -0500
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:42:28 -0500
From: Mike Kropp mkropp@cathouse.mv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Guess it's a matter of perception.  My home setup is pretty similar to your
setup.  Perhaps screen size is critical.  I'm running the server screen at
1024 x 768.  CDJ is almost acceptable.  My home automation app is unusable.
Between poor cursor tracking and speed its too slow for me.  Just wish there
was a non-DCOM way of handling remote.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:45 AM
> To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Slow depends on your network and your computers.  I use it at work and at
> home.  Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
> (slower than my work machines)and it runs great.  I even have remotely
> controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation.  It is even
> acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.
>
> Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a
> cable modem
> through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!
>
> My two cents worth,
> John.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> >
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> > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:10:12 -0500
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:10:12 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

I am only using 800X600 but I can try higher res and let you know.  I found
it very acceptable.  I am using it at work to remotely manage a MS Exchange
server from my desktop.  Sorry I don't have any further info.  I have been
meaning to read more about VNC.  I just found out from this list that it
supports html.  I tested that and it seems the same speed.

Good luck.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:42 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Guess it's a matter of perception.  My home setup is pretty similar to your
setup.  Perhaps screen size is critical.  I'm running the server screen at
1024 x 768.  CDJ is almost acceptable.  My home automation app is unusable.
Between poor cursor tracking and speed its too slow for me.  Just wish there
was a non-DCOM way of handling remote.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:45 AM
> To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Slow depends on your network and your computers.  I use it at work and at
> home.  Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
> (slower than my work machines)and it runs great.  I even have remotely
> controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation.  It is even
> acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.
>
> Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a
> cable modem
> through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!
>
> My two cents worth,
> John.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
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From skurzetfr@home.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:16:35 -0800
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:16:35 -0800
From: Stan Kurzet skurzetfr@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Lazy man's ripper

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Troops:

I have tried several rippers and encoders.  Every one either rips only, =
or encodes only, or if it does both, its user interface was conceived by =
a blithering idiot, and takes as much or more user work than two =
separate applications.  Worse yet, all the ones I have tried put one =
through the dot wav generation first, one CD at a time, and then all =
those gigs of dot wav files have to be purged after the MP3 encoder gets =
done.  There's gotta be a better way!

Can anyone point me to a ripper that will convert a CDJ play list of CD =
tracks to MP3 files without  me having to do anything other than define =
the track list and specify the destination hard drive folder, and leave =
the system alone to do its thing?

There is a similar problem converting LP's and R 2 R tapes  as far as =
automation is concerned.  One has to first convert the entire LP or tape =
to a dot wav.  Then one has to edit out the start, inter selection and =
ending segues.  Then clean up the noise.  Then split apart  the =
selections to individual dot wav files.  Then convert each dot wav to =
MP3,  and finally, at long suffering last, purge the gigs of dot wav =
clutter.  UGH!!!   Hasn't anyone come up with a less labor intensive way =
of doing this?

One last question.  Is there a good car radio around that plays MP3 =
files on CDR/RW?

Much thanks in advance for any input.

Stan

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From ncunningham@UrbanMedia.com Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:18:51 -0500
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 14:18:51 -0500
From: Cunningham, Neil ncunningham@UrbanMedia.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Here is another source for VNC.

http://www.tridiavnc.com/

Not sure what "enhancements" they have over the other one.

-----Original Message-----
From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 2:10 PM
To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


I am only using 800X600 but I can try higher res and let you know.  I found
it very acceptable.  I am using it at work to remotely manage a MS Exchange
server from my desktop.  Sorry I don't have any further info.  I have been
meaning to read more about VNC.  I just found out from this list that it
supports html.  I tested that and it seems the same speed.

Good luck.
John

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:42 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)


Guess it's a matter of perception.  My home setup is pretty similar to your
setup.  Perhaps screen size is critical.  I'm running the server screen at
1024 x 768.  CDJ is almost acceptable.  My home automation app is unusable.
Between poor cursor tracking and speed its too slow for me.  Just wish there
was a non-DCOM way of handling remote.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:45 AM
> To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Slow depends on your network and your computers.  I use it at work and at
> home.  Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
> (slower than my work machines)and it runs great.  I even have remotely
> controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation.  It is even
> acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.
>
> Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a
> cable modem
> through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!
>
> My two cents worth,
> John.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> Control than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> each bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> CDJ and the
> > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> keyboard to search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> multi-room control
> > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> >  -----Original Message-----
> > From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent:	Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To:	Michael Holopainen
> > Cc:	Slinke-List
> > Subject:	[slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> -- if I was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> would show
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> don't use the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> encapsulated HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> access from
> > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> Slink-e from
> > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> Telnet, putting
> > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> I'm anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> data, so I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> Second, if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> and wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> simple way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> controlling a pair of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> listening in the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> the living
> > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> control the Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> the living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
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From czguris@christopherzguris.com Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:17:44 -0500
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 17:17:44 -0500
From: Christopher Zguris czguris@christopherzguris.com
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

Actually, you need a browser w/JAVA enabled (AFAIK - JAVA, not JavaScript). 
I'm using it on an older IE 4.72.xx and it works fine (as long as JAVA's 
enabled), screen refresh seemed a little quicker under IE 5, worked under 
Netscape 4.). If you set the browser to fullscreen mode, VNC's certainly 
useable.

Re setting up the server, as someone else said, I think it's automatic. If 
you've got VNC server running, it's also there for web access. In your web 
browser, you just need to type in that machines' address. On my network of 
a couple machines, I can access the machine (called "server" under Windows) 
w/VNC using http://server:5800/ in my browser. That brings up a prompt 
asking me for the VNC password.

At 02:10 PM 11/6/00 -0500, Schaaf John wrote:
[...]
>meaning to read more about VNC.  I just found out from this list that it
>supports html.  I tested that and it seems the same speed.


Christopher Zguris

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From michael@laserle.fi Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:09:14 +0200
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 10:09:14 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist]  Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)

I have been using (& promoting) VNC quite a while now and it is true
that above 800x600 rez and responces are noticiably slover. One thing
you can try is to go to Options in VIEWER (not "server") and limit
pixels transfer to 8-bit.

And another new (3.3.3R7) feature is SCALE = use 1000*800 server from
800x600 client screen.

I too have been meaning to read about VNC, but it is just so easy to use
& reliable that I haven't been motivated to study it.

-michael (A)
 

Schaaf John wrote:
> 
> I am only using 800X600 but I can try higher res and let you know.  I found
> it very acceptable.  I am using it at work to remotely manage a MS Exchange
> server from my desktop.  Sorry I don't have any further info.  I have been
> meaning to read more about VNC.  I just found out from this list that it
> supports html.  I tested that and it seems the same speed.
> 
> Good luck.
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 12:42 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> 
> Guess it's a matter of perception.  My home setup is pretty similar to your
> setup.  Perhaps screen size is critical.  I'm running the server screen at
> 1024 x 768.  CDJ is almost acceptable.  My home automation app is unusable.
> Between poor cursor tracking and speed its too slow for me.  Just wish there
> was a non-DCOM way of handling remote.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Schaaf John [mailto:JSchaaf@wyseadv.com]
> > Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:45 AM
> > To: 'Mike Kropp'; 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Slow depends on your network and your computers.  I use it at work and at
> > home.  Home is between 2 Pentium 2-350mhz machines on a 10mbs network
> > (slower than my work machines)and it runs great.  I even have remotely
> > controlled a p166mmx at work with no noticeable degreation.  It is even
> > acceptable over a 26,400 modem connection.
> >
> > Now if I could only get it to connect to a machine at home on a
> > cable modem
> > through my firewall at work, aaaggghhh!
> >
> > My two cents worth,
> > John.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mike Kropp [mailto:mkropp@cathouse.mv.com]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...).  I gave up on it.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > Control than
> > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > with DCOM and
> > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > >
> > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > each bedroom
> > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > CDJ and the
> > > Slink-e.  This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > > from any location in the house.
> > >
> > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > keyboard to search
> > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > >
> > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > multi-room control
> > > from PC control stations.  Multi-room control from handheld
> > > remotes or wall
> > > mounted controls is a different story.  But from PC's I can't think of a
> > > better solution than VNC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > >  -----Original Message-----
> > > From:       slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]  On
> > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > Sent:       Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > To: Michael Holopainen
> > > Cc: Slinke-List
> > > Subject:    [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > >
> > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > > controlling the host computer.  However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > have to scroll
> > > around or mess with window sizing.  Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > -- if I was
> > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > would show
> > > up on the server's screen.
> > >
> > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > don't use the
> > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > library/covers
> > > paths.
> > >
> > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > encapsulated HTTP
> > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > access from
> > > work...  It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > Slink-e from
> > > almost any OS or scripting language.  However, in my situation,
> > > the pain of
> > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > >
> > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > about $50,
> > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > Telnet, putting
> > > DCOM to rest.  I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > redirector
> > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > DXS ports
> > > on the terminal server.  Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > connection to
> > > the Slink-e and DXS.  I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > around to
> > > messing with it.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > >
> > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > >
> > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > >
> > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > >
> > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > 7. Small prog
> > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > actually works
> > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > >
> > > -michael (A)
> > >
> > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > slinkesrv.
> > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists.  If
> > I'm anywhere
> > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ.  It
> > > works great --
> > > I
> > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > >
> > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > configuration.  First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > data, so I
> > > have
> > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > Second, if
> > > CDJ
> > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > significant
> > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > > laptop.  If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > running CDJ
> > > on
> > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > >
> > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > and wireless
> > > LAN.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > simple way.
> > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > controlling a pair of
> > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > the PC to the
> > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > > room
> > > > to satellite speakers in the office.  I did most of my
> > listening in the
> > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > > >
> > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > the living
> > > > room.  I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > office, but
> > > > now quite a bit more in the living room.  I now want to
> > control the Sony
> > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > > living
> > > > room.
> > > >
> > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > > feedback
> > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > > something similar.  To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > necessary to
> > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > the living
> > > room
> > > > and office.
> > > >
> > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Ron
> > > >
> > > > ================================================
> > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > > --
> > >    --"Would you fly on airplane controlled by MS Windows ?"--
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > | Michael Holopainen | Valuraudantie 25 | Tel: +358-(0)9-35093825  |
> > > |                    | 00700 Helsinki   | Fax : +358-(0)9-35093850 |
> > > | Laserle Oy         | Finland          | email: michael@laserle.fi|
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> >
> >
> >
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From gocox@earthlink.net Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:01:09 -0500
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 19:01:09 -0500
From: Guy Cox gocox@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3/CD Indash Radio

And this is only the beginning. Aiwa also offers an in-dash car CD/MP3
player, the model CDC-MP3 at $299, and Philips is also offering the FWM55
stereo shelf systems for $349. The RCA unit of Thomson Consumer Electronics
is also promising a portable CD/MP3 player early next year.





From jarcara@wi.rr.com Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:38:58 -0600
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 20:38:58 -0600
From: Joe Arcara jarcara@wi.rr.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 200 CD Player CX255 available $145.

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I came accross a guy who has 2 of them for sale.  I am interested in 1 and
the other is available if anyone is interested.

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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:14:45 -0500
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 09:14:45 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Just discovered the Timer device!

Hi all,

As my subject says, I just discovered the Timers!  YES! Thank you Colby.
Now, unfortunately, I need some help understanding how to use them.  I added
the device but I don't understand how to set the timers (where to you put
the command to set them and clear them) and how do you make them work in the
Map file to execute commands (I.E. play a playlist).  Just a criticism for
Colby and group, you need help on your documentation.  Need volunteers?
(Like I REALLY have the spare time for one more project :-)  Thanks again
for a great product.

John W. Schaaf Sr.





From pfaffman@relaxpc.com Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:08:09 -0600
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 11:08:09 -0600
From: Jay Pfaffman pfaffman@relaxpc.com
Subject: [slinkelist] trouble with

I'm using 1.32 Build 1916 (10/13/00).

I've had some trouble with a couple of my scripts since some upgrade
(sorry, but I don't remember which one).  Here's my script, which used
to do my usual search query, switch my amp to CD input, and start
playing the play list.  

cd2:1
{
cdj:search_mode[track]
cdj:search[album=effect | (ta<1o and tl>2d) | (tl>60d and (not (title=christmas | album=christmas | kw=christmas)))]
cdj:playlist_clear
cdj:playlist_mode[random]
onkyo:cd
onkyo:multisource
onkyo:cd
cdj:playlist_play
}

Now it seems that the playlist_play isn't recognized.  When I
subsequently do a playlist_play by other means (touching the computer
or using play on a remote which is mapped to playlist_play) it starts
playing as expected.  Do I need to add a delay before the
playlist_play?  Perhaps I need to wait until the search is completed
before I send the play command?  (How?)

I'd also like to be able to start my cd2:1 event at a particular time
of day.  Like a recent poster, I can't figure out how from the
examples in the timer device description.

-- 
Jay Pfaffman                           pfaffman@relaxpc.com
+1-615-343-1720 (office)               +1-615-460-9299 (home) 
http://relax.ltc.vanderbilt.edu/~pfaffman/




From jarcara@wi.rr.com Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:09:00 -0600
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 22:09:00 -0600
From: Joe Arcara jarcara@wi.rr.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Web page??

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Has anyone created an html page that can control the slinke?   I downloaded
the one from the website but it can't be edited.

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From iancole@earthlink.net Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:02:35 -0500
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 07:02:35 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Web page??

One of the HASE (Home Automation Scripting Engine) samples is HTML based
(requires using a client-side activex control, similar to slinkx, except it
communicates via sockets.) This does require running the HASE binaries on
the server with CDJ and slinkeserv. HASE is currently in BETA, but the beta
binaries are available on the website.

The samples aren't well documented yet - but they do control CDJ and slink-e
devices.

http://www.technovelocity.com/hase

http://www.technovelocity.com/hase/samples.htm

note: the samples page doesn't mention an HTML sample, but it is in the ZIP
file on the samples page.

Ian

----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Arcara <jarcara@wi.rr.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2000 11:09 PM
Subject: [slinkelist] Web page??


> Has anyone created an html page that can control the slinke?   I
downloaded
> the one from the website but it can't be edited.
>





From cjrose@mediaone.net Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:09:34 -0500
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 23:09:34 -0500
From: Carl J. Rose cjrose@mediaone.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems

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Here we go again!

I bought a SB Live Platinum and now have spdif out that I can put into =
my Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my mp3 playback with CD's    =
Sounds great!

However, an unexpected glitch is that the 333 will not send out analog =
audio from a digital source to the record-out jacks  that I use to daisy =
chain three receivers for audio in different areas of the  house and =
beyond.

I really want to use digital out of the computer.  Any ideas? =20
=20
I read a thread on the list from a person talking about a surround =
decoder that would take a digital in and decode to analog.  The person =
said such products were rather inexpensive on E-bay.  Could someone =
provide an exact link cause I have come up empty in this search.

Thanks,
Carl

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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here we go again!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I bought a SB Live Platinum and now =
have spdif out=20
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jacks&nbsp;=20
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of=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really want to use digital out of the =

computer.&nbsp; Any ideas?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read a thread on the list from a =
person talking=20
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empty in=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
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From dale@theandrens.com Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:26:35 -0600
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 22:26:35 -0600
From: Dale Andren dale@theandrens.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems

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Carl,

You need a digital analog converter. Just do a search for DAC on ebay =
and you can spend from 100 to 3000. Just pick a price point. I have a =
Marantz AV9000 and it has the same problem. The preamp does not act as a =
DAC for the digital inputs.

Hope this helped,
Dale

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Carl J. Rose=20
  To: slinkeList=20
  Cc: John W. Schaaf=20
  Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 10:09 PM
  Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems




  Here we go again!

  I bought a SB Live Platinum and now have spdif out that I can put into =
my Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my mp3 playback with CD's    =
Sounds great!

  However, an unexpected glitch is that the 333 will not send out analog =
audio from a digital source to the record-out jacks  that I use to daisy =
chain three receivers for audio in different areas of the  house and =
beyond.

  I really want to use digital out of the computer.  Any ideas? =20
  =20
  I read a thread on the list from a person talking about a surround =
decoder that would take a digital in and decode to analog.  The person =
said such products were rather inexpensive on E-bay.  Could someone =
provide an exact link cause I have come up empty in this search.

  Thanks,
  Carl

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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have a=20
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DAC for=20
the digital inputs.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Hope this helped,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dale</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:cjrose@mediaone.net" =
title=3Dcjrose@mediaone.net>Carl J.=20
  Rose</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:slinkelist@nirvis.com" =
title=3Dslinkelist@nirvis.com>slinkeList</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A =
href=3D"mailto:jschaaf@wyseadv.com"=20
  title=3Djschaaf@wyseadv.com>John W. Schaaf</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 09, =
2000 10:09=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [slinkelist] Digital =
Out=20
  problems</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here we go again!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I bought a SB Live Platinum and now =
have spdif=20
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mp3=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, an unexpected glitch is that =
the 333=20
  will not send out analog audio from a digital source to the record-out =

  jacks&nbsp; that I use to daisy chain three receivers for audio in =
different=20
  areas of the&nbsp; house and beyond.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really want to use digital out of =
the=20
  computer.&nbsp; Any ideas?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read a thread on the list from a =
person talking=20
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  analog.&nbsp; The person said such products were rather inexpensive on =

  E-bay.&nbsp; Could someone provide an exact link cause I have come up =
empty in=20
  this search.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From simon@themasons.net Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:07:06 -0500
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:07:06 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 200 CD Player CX255 available $145.

I got a 200 disc model, forget the number, at Circuit City for $99.  They
periodically put the floor models on sale, and will sometimes sell them even
if they are not marked.  I even got them to knock an additional $10 off
because they didn't have the remote or any of the cables!  Of course I
didn't need them because I hooked it straight to the slink-e!

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Joe Arcara
Sent: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 9:39 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Sony 200 CD Player CX255 available $145.


I came accross a guy who has 2 of them for sale.  I am interested in 1 and
the other is available if anyone is interested.





From simon@themasons.net Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:10:14 -0500
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 07:10:14 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems

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Doesn't Colby's DX thing solve this my providing a mixer like capability for
a digital signal?  One in, multiple out?
  -----Original Message-----
  From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
  Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:10 PM
  To: slinkeList
  Cc: John W. Schaaf
  Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems




  Here we go again!

  I bought a SB Live Platinum and now have spdif out that I can put into my
Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my mp3 playback with CD's    Sounds
great!

  However, an unexpected glitch is that the 333 will not send out analog
audio from a digital source to the record-out jacks  that I use to daisy
chain three receivers for audio in different areas of the  house and beyond.

  I really want to use digital out of the computer.  Any ideas?

  I read a thread on the list from a person talking about a surround decoder
that would take a digital in and decode to analog.  The person said such
products were rather inexpensive on E-bay.  Could someone provide an exact
link cause I have come up empty in this search.

  Thanks,
  Carl

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
class=3D350320912-11112000>Doesn't Colby's DX thing solve this my =
providing a=20
mixer like capability for a digital signal?&nbsp; One in, multiple=20
out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com=20
  [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Carl J.=20
  Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:10 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  slinkeList<BR><B>Cc:</B> John W. Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B> =
[slinkelist]=20
  Digital Out problems<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here we go again!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I bought a SB Live Platinum and now =
have spdif=20
  out that I can put into my Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my =
mp3=20
  playback with CD's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sounds great!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, an unexpected glitch is that =
the 333=20
  will not send out analog audio from a digital source to the record-out =

  jacks&nbsp; that I use to daisy chain three receivers for audio in =
different=20
  areas of the&nbsp; house and beyond.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really want to use digital out of =
the=20
  computer.&nbsp; Any ideas?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read a thread on the list from a =
person talking=20
  about a surround decoder that would take a digital in and decode to=20
  analog.&nbsp; The person said such products were rather inexpensive on =

  E-bay.&nbsp; Could someone provide an exact link cause I have come up =
empty in=20
  this search.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
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From dale@theandrens.com Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:54:12 -0600
Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2000 10:54:12 -0600
From: Dale Andren dale@theandrens.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems

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The DXS switches the digital signal. It does not convert digital to =
analog.

Dale
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Simon Mason=20
  To: 'slinkeList'=20
  Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 6:10 AM
  Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems


  Doesn't Colby's DX thing solve this my providing a mixer like =
capability for a digital signal?  One in, multiple out?
    -----Original Message-----
    From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On Behalf Of Carl J. Rose
    Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:10 PM
    To: slinkeList
    Cc: John W. Schaaf
    Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Out problems




    Here we go again!

    I bought a SB Live Platinum and now have spdif out that I can put =
into my Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my mp3 playback with CD's =
   Sounds great!

    However, an unexpected glitch is that the 333 will not send out =
analog audio from a digital source to the record-out jacks  that I use =
to daisy chain three receivers for audio in different areas of the  =
house and beyond.

    I really want to use digital out of the computer.  Any ideas? =20
    =20
    I read a thread on the list from a person talking about a surround =
decoder that would take a digital in and decode to analog.  The person =
said such products were rather inexpensive on E-bay.  Could someone =
provide an exact link cause I have come up empty in this search.

    Thanks,
    Carl

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The DXS switches the digital signal. It does not =
convert=20
digital to analog.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dale</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:simon@themasons.net" =
title=3Dsimon@themasons.net>Simon Mason</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:slinkelist@nirvis.com"=20
  title=3Dslinkelist@nirvis.com>'slinkeList'</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, November 11, =
2000 6:10=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> RE: [slinkelist] =
Digital Out=20
  problems</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D350320912-11112000>Doesn't Colby's DX thing solve this my =
providing a=20
  mixer like capability for a digital signal?&nbsp; One in, multiple=20
  out?</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com">slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com</=
A>=20
    [<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com">mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvi=
s.com</A>]<B>On=20
    Behalf Of </B>Carl J. Rose<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, November 09, =
2000 11:10=20
    PM<BR><B>To:</B> slinkeList<BR><B>Cc:</B> John W. =
Schaaf<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
    [slinkelist] Digital Out problems<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
    <DIV><BR></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here we go again!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I bought a SB Live Platinum and now =
have spdif=20
    out that I can put into my Sony 333 ES receiver to finally couple my =
mp3=20
    playback with CD's&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sounds great!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, an unexpected glitch is =
that the 333=20
    will not send out analog audio from a digital source to the =
record-out=20
    jacks&nbsp; that I use to daisy chain three receivers for audio in =
different=20
    areas of the&nbsp; house and beyond.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really want to use digital out of =
the=20
    computer.&nbsp; Any ideas?&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I read a thread on the list from a =
person=20
    talking about a surround decoder that would take a digital in and =
decode to=20
    analog.&nbsp; The person said such products were rather inexpensive =
on=20
    E-bay.&nbsp; Could someone provide an exact link cause I have come =
up empty=20
    in this search.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks,</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>Carl</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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From jarcara@wi.rr.com Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:56:42 -0600
Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2000 17:56:42 -0600
From: Joe Arcara jarcara@wi.rr.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons

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Are there options for other buttons on CDJ?  I have user 1, 2, 3 etc.
programmed to control things (TV).  Can I change the button graphic?

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From michael@laserle.fi Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:17:13 +0200
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 09:17:13 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons

No, not as far as I know. I think it might be possible LATER, you see
those custom button are relatively new addition to CDJ. 

-michael (A)

Joe Arcara wrote:
> 
> Are there options for other buttons on CDJ?  I have user 1, 2, 3 etc.
> programmed to control things (TV).  Can I change the button graphic?

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From sonnie@casema.net Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:56:41 +0100
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 12:56:41 +0100
From: Sonnie sonnie@casema.net
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons

Actually you can.

Simply modify the user.bmp image in the CDJ directory...

Jeroen

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Michael Holopainen
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:17 AM
Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons


No, not as far as I know. I think it might be possible LATER, you see
those custom button are relatively new addition to CDJ. 

-michael (A)

Joe Arcara wrote:
> 
> Are there options for other buttons on CDJ?  I have user 1, 2, 3 etc.
> programmed to control things (TV).  Can I change the button graphic?

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From jarcara@wi.rr.com Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:55:20 -0600
Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:55:20 -0600
From: Joe Arcara jarcara@wi.rr.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons

I looked at that, it has 1-10 on it.  I think I need something other than
paint brush to modify it.  Is it cut up into 10 segments?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sonnie" <sonnie@casema.net>
To: "Michael Holopainen" <michael@laserle.fi>; "Joe Arcara"
<jarcara@wi.rr.com>
Cc: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 5:56 AM
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons


> Actually you can.
>
> Simply modify the user.bmp image in the CDJ directory...
>
> Jeroen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Michael Holopainen
> Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 8:17 AM
> Cc: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons
>
>
> No, not as far as I know. I think it might be possible LATER, you see
> those custom button are relatively new addition to CDJ.
>
> -michael (A)
>
> Joe Arcara wrote:
> >
> > Are there options for other buttons on CDJ?  I have user 1, 2, 3 etc.
> > programmed to control things (TV).  Can I change the button graphic?
>
> --
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Date: 11/13/00 06:15:08 PM
From: News Publishing mailresponse2@g7ps.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New Qchex Service for Quicken Users !

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From admin@nirvis.com Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:09:51 -0800
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:09:51 -0800
From: Nirvis Admin admin@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] test

test





From guineau@earthlink.net Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:30:25 -0800
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:30:25 -0800
From: W. John Guineau guineau@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] test

tical

;)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Nirvis Admin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] test
> 
> 
> test
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 




From ivan@vaa.com.au Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:17 +1000
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 14:55:17 +1000
From: Ivan Rostas ivan@vaa.com.au
Subject: [slinkelist] RE: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #441 - 2 msgs

Hi Guys

I'm sure this question has been answered before, so I will apologise in
advance - why does my Slink-E upload only 12 characters to my CDPCX450?  It
takes more (16) right?

Thanks

Ivan Rostas
Gold Coast
Australia



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, 16 November 2000 12:31 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #441 - 2 msgs



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To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:09:51 -0800
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Subject: [slinkelist] test

test



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From: "W. John Guineau" <guineau@earthlink.net>
To: "Nirvis Admin" <admin@nirvis.com>, <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] test
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:30:25 -0800
charset="iso-8859-1"

tical

;)
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Nirvis Admin
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 5:10 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] test
>
>
> test
>
>
>
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From aue@nirvis.com Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:54:09 -0800
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 12:54:09 -0800
From: David Aue aue@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] RE: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #441 - 2 msgs

Hi Ivan,

The S-link command for setting disc titles only allows us to set 13
characters.  It is possible there is a new command which allows setting all
20 on the new changers but we haven't found it.

Sincerely,

David Aue
Nirvis Systems

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Ivan Rostas
Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 8:55 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] RE: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #441 - 2 msgs

Hi Guys

I'm sure this question has been answered before, so I will apologise in
advance - why does my Slink-E upload only 12 characters to my CDPCX450?  It
takes more (16) right?

Thanks

Ivan Rostas
Gold Coast
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From Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:10:54 -0800
Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2000 13:10:54 -0800
From: Tom Hammond-Doel Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Slightly off subject.

Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
correct interface placed on it.

I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
and subsequently overpriced.

Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.





From brian@posthuman.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.

P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com

Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> 
> Slightly off subject.
> 
> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> correct interface placed on it.
> 
> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> and subsequently overpriced.
> 
> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:28:19 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:28:19 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Maybe we should start to pool a fund to pay Colby to do this? If enough
people kicked in $100 we could get this thing off the ground.

I agree, the mechanical thing is no longer state of the art.  It was great
and still works OK, but the evalution of CDJ has got to be toward HD
storage.

Maybe we should put our money where our mouth is. Colby has spent a great
deal of time ($$$) developing CDJ. He makes his money on the Slink-e to
support it. What happens when the Slink-e is no longer needed to control the
changers?

Parker

> From: Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> 
> no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
> pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> 
> P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> 
> Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
>> 
>> Slightly off subject.
>> 
>> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
>> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
>> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
>> correct interface placed on it.
>> 
>> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
>> and subsequently overpriced.
>> 
>> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
>> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
>> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
>> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
>> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
>> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
> -- 
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> Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> http://www.singinst.org/
> 
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From dmullin@knotzdigital.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:41:26 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:41:26 -0500
From: Dean Mullin dmullin@knotzdigital.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Would the quality of the audio be equal to that of the original audio CD's?



At 08:28 AM 11/17/2000 -0500, Marc Parker wrote:
>Maybe we should start to pool a fund to pay Colby to do this? If enough
>people kicked in $100 we could get this thing off the ground.
>
>I agree, the mechanical thing is no longer state of the art.  It was great
>and still works OK, but the evalution of CDJ has got to be toward HD
>storage.
>
>Maybe we should put our money where our mouth is. Colby has spent a great
>deal of time ($$$) developing CDJ. He makes his money on the Slink-e to
>support it. What happens when the Slink-e is no longer needed to control the
>changers?
>
>Parker
>
> > From: Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> >
> > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
> > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> >
> > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> >
> > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> >>
> >> Slightly off subject.
> >>
> >> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> >> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> >> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> >> correct interface placed on it.
> >>
> >> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> >> and subsequently overpriced.
> >>
> >> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> >> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> >> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> >> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> >> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> >> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > --
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> > Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> > http://www.singinst.org/
> >
> >
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From shawn@sboyle.com 17 Nov 2000 06:13:51 -0800
Date: 17 Nov 2000 06:13:51 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]

Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.

I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup for as long as I can.

-Shawn


On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:

> 
> no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
> pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> 
> P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> 
> Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > 
> > Slightly off subject.
> > 
> > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > correct interface placed on it.
> > 
> > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > and subsequently overpriced.
> > 
> > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
> -- 
> Brian Atkins
> Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> http://www.singinst.org/
> 
> 
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From iancole@earthlink.net Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:36:35 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:36:35 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Sony was displaying a functioning receiver, DVD player and single-disc cd
player with firewire support at COMDEX - I asked & of course the answer was
"prototype" - When I asked about a cd-changer with firewire, I got the
"sometime in the future" response. I'm sure the CES would be a better forum
to really find out what's happening, but I hoped firewire would be available
today :>(

I agree - I use my slink-e for more than just cd-changer control, but I
suspect most people use it for only that & haven't branched out to control
other devices.


----- Original Message -----
From: <shawn@sboyle.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server


> I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As
long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way
IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based
Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are
fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the
occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the
bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB
of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]
>
> Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the
Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the
same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.
>
> I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup
for as long as I can.
>
> -Shawn
>
>
> On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:
>
> >
> > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware
based
> > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with
those.
> > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
gladly
> > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> >
> > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> >
> > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > >
> > > Slightly off subject.
> > >
> > > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > > correct interface placed on it.
> > >
> > > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over
spec'd
> > > and subsequently overpriced.
> > >
> > > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?
Is
> > > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project
for
> > > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or
use
> > > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > --
> > Brian Atkins
> > Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> > http://www.singinst.org/
> >
> >
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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:04:19 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:04:19 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

My 2 cents.

1)  Do you really want to convert your cd's to analog to record them on your
computer back into digital MP3 format?

2)  Do you want to wait / not be able to play any music while it is doing it
in real time? I know you could have it do it while you are sleeping but then
consider how much longer it would take.  My friend with a slinke has over
800 cd's and I know some of you have even more.

3)  You could still use your slinke to control the rest of your house, but
again, would people buy them at $249 just for that.

4)  You can buy Audiograbber and the Xing encoder and rip directly to MP3 at
about 4x at least on a p2 350 (what I use).

Myself and my friend have decided that once we fill our changers, any new
cd's go directly to MP3.  With the cost of hard drives coming down,  they
are cheaper than changers.  Yes, I would like my entire collection as MP3
because I am patiently awaiting sub $200 MP3 data cd players for the car and
walkman style but I am slowly doing this anyway so I can play my music at
work.  I just don't want to go analog and then back to digital.

As I said, my 2 cents.  Back to work now.

John.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Parker [mailto:parkdog@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:28 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server


Maybe we should start to pool a fund to pay Colby to do this? If enough
people kicked in $100 we could get this thing off the ground.

I agree, the mechanical thing is no longer state of the art.  It was great
and still works OK, but the evalution of CDJ has got to be toward HD
storage.

Maybe we should put our money where our mouth is. Colby has spent a great
deal of time ($$$) developing CDJ. He makes his money on the Slink-e to
support it. What happens when the Slink-e is no longer needed to control the
changers?

Parker

> From: Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com>
> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> 
> no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
gladly
> pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> 
> P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> 
> Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
>> 
>> Slightly off subject.
>> 
>> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
>> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
>> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
>> correct interface placed on it.
>> 
>> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
>> and subsequently overpriced.
>> 
>> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
>> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
>> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
>> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
>> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
>> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
> -- 
> Brian Atkins
> Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> http://www.singinst.org/
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:12:25 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 10:12:25 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Don't forget that MP3's are compressed.  Even at 5 to 1 compression, 30 gig
hard drives can be had for under $200 and you win over a $200 200 disc
changer.  I know they can be had for under $200 also, just some numbers.  I
compress MP3's at 10 to 1 and can't hear the difference so it comes out way
cheaper.  Also, a hard drive can be accessed on a per song basis faster than
your changer can change cd's.  You do however loose the ability to fade
between tracks from different cd's if you have more than one changer.  You
can also back your MP3's up onto cd-r's so if your data HD does blow up, you
don't lose your collection and they will restore pretty quick (or use tape)
and they are then also portable.

Just more thoughts.
I am really going back to work now.

John

-----Original Message-----
From: shawn@sboyle.com [mailto:shawn@sboyle.com]
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:14 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server


I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As
long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way
IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based
Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are
fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the
occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the
bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB
of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]

Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the
Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the
same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.

I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup for
as long as I can.

-Shawn


On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:

> 
> no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
gladly
> pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> 
> P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> 
> Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > 
> > Slightly off subject.
> > 
> > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > correct interface placed on it.
> > 
> > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > and subsequently overpriced.
> > 
> > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
> -- 
> Brian Atkins
> Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> http://www.singinst.org/
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From Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:46:06 -0800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:46:06 -0800
From: Tom Hammond-Doel Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

A single server can store CD music whether compressed or not - so that can
satisfy those folks that hear the differences on compression/decompression
systems.  The whole point here is that it IS inevitable that music collections
will ultimately be stored on mediums other than CD.  It also will be possible
for software to do fading, mixing overlapping - you name it.  Whether it's a DSP
or a pure processor function, a simple Digital Audio Client (I haven't seen that
term before. Do I get credit?) can do the trick.

Subsequently, after music is stored on either a home local server or on an
internet accessible server that one may have to pay on a song-by-song basis
(marketing opportunity?), we still need an inexpensive Digital Audio Client (I'm
starting to like that term, the acronym is DAC - Digital to Analog Converter)
that can connect to either a 10BaseT, HPNA, or Bluetooth system.  Have multiple
versions of this DAC.  The simplest is 10BaseT+Preamp Line Out.  The most
complex could have a built-in amplifier, SPDIF, optical (my field), or
whatever.  Colby has already expanded his offerings to include a digital switch,
but these types of products are inevitable.  For all I know, they'll be here
tomorrow.  Did Comdex have anything like this?

Comments?

Schaaf John wrote:

> Don't forget that MP3's are compressed.  Even at 5 to 1 compression, 30 gig
> hard drives can be had for under $200 and you win over a $200 200 disc
> changer.  I know they can be had for under $200 also, just some numbers.  I
> compress MP3's at 10 to 1 and can't hear the difference so it comes out way
> cheaper.  Also, a hard drive can be accessed on a per song basis faster than
> your changer can change cd's.  You do however loose the ability to fade
> between tracks from different cd's if you have more than one changer.  You
> can also back your MP3's up onto cd-r's so if your data HD does blow up, you
> don't lose your collection and they will restore pretty quick (or use tape)
> and they are then also portable.
>
> Just more thoughts.
> I am really going back to work now.
>
> John
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shawn@sboyle.com [mailto:shawn@sboyle.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:14 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
>
> I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As
> long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way
> IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based
> Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are
> fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the
> occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the
> bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB
> of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]
>
> Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the
> Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the
> same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.
>
> I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup for
> as long as I can.
>
> -Shawn
>
> On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:
>
> >
> > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
> gladly
> > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> >
> > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> >
> > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > >
> > > Slightly off subject.
> > >
> > > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > > correct interface placed on it.
> > >
> > > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > > and subsequently overpriced.
> > >
> > > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > >
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> > --
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> > Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> > http://www.singinst.org/
> >
> >
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From Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:56:55 -0800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:56:55 -0800
From: Tom Hammond-Doel Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server

Ian Cole wrote:

> Would you have storage local in each device?

Under my selfish view of specifying this device, it would not have local storage
and would basically just be a thin-client.

> Any display or just a closed "black-box"?

Black box.  The control area has been the most confusing in the industry.  Over
two years ago we had a discussion on this board on the need for what have now
been called "internet appliances", like the WebPAD, to control home systems.
Bose has a nice little LCD touch pad, but it doesn't quite kit the mark.  Having
multiple types of controllers will be coming out soon enough.  The ability to
have a nice little color display that can show the ALBUM cover of a song that is
currently playing (AKA, Party GUI or CDJ) that is touch-screen capable is very
desirable.  We're already there, but the price-point still hasn't hit yet.
Alternatively, I could live right now with one of those $99 Palm-Look-Alikes and
a serial connection - as long as they can be programmed to handle home
automation needs.

>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Hammond-Doel <Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com>
> To: Ian Cole <iancole@earthlink.net>
> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:16 PM
> Subject: Re: Digital Audio server
>
> > I already have a 10BaseT network throughout my house, and an NT server
> (running
> > www.reports.com for that matter).  With the MP3 client, I can have access
> to my
> > entire music collection wherever one of these devices is installed - at a
> > relatively low price.  A target price for a commercial device could be
> anywhere
> > from $150 to $275 and I'd buy three or four of them.  Simply add speakers,
> an
> > amplifier and they can be controlled via computers - or (ultimately) a
> Palm
> > Pilot/Cassiopea/Bluetooth (sp) type of device.
> >
> > Ian Cole wrote:
> >
> > > Thanks - Can I ask why you want an "appliance" type device vs a PC-based
> > > solution?
> > >
> > > I can benefits of both - just trying to understand what you are looking
> to
> > > build.
> > >
> > > Ian
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Tom Hammond-Doel <Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com>
> > > To: Ian Cole <iancole@earthlink.net>
> > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 5:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> > >
> > > > Here are some links for you:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dell.com/us/en/gen/topics/vectors_2000-digitalaudio.htm
> > > > http://www.lansonic.com/
> > > > http://www.audiotron.net/audiotron.asp
> > > > http://www.request.com/home.html
> > > >
> > > > Ian Cole wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Do you have links to the hardware mentioned?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd be willing to help develop the CDJ / Slink-e integration,
> especially
> > > if
> > > > > you could expose a TCP/IP socket for communication with the player.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ian
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Tom Hammond-Doel <Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com>
> > > > > To: Slinke Group <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2000 4:10 PM
> > > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> > > > >
> > > > > > Slightly off subject.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All
> the
> > > > > > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded
> MP3
> > > > > > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > > > > > correct interface placed on it.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over
> > > spec'd
> > > > > > and subsequently overpriced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is
> it?
> > > Is
> > > > > > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a
> firmware
> > > > > > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime
> project
> > > for
> > > > > > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card,
> or
> > > use
> > > > > > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
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From shawn@sboyle.com 17 Nov 2000 08:05:00 -0800
Date: 17 Nov 2000 08:05:00 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

I didn't figure MP3 compression into it because Brian specifically mentioned .wav files. If you do consider compression I bet the cost/min of music definitely falls below that of a changer. And granted MP3s can be randomly accessed better but with multiple changers you get almost the same amount of flexibility. Maybe I just don't like the idea of too much convergence. To me the PC is not the best way to deliver music -- backups and restores are a pain in the ass, you have to get the audio from wherever the PC is to wherever you amp is, and I don't care what OS your using a PC will have more down time than a CD player.   

Plus there's the fact that CD's are hardly the final word in digital audio. SACDs are patiently waiting in the wings, and there's the possibility of multichannel [more than two] audio being delivered on DVD. While I have no idea how most of us will get our music in the future, I know it certainly won't still be on CDs. And with more data being stored on the disc [bringing with it better sound] it becomes less and less practical to store that data on a HD, or stream it over the internet. [Attention record companies -- this is a great way to beat Napster.]

My point isn't that MP3s are bad, it's that an Slink-e and changer solution is not obsolete. And I don't think this type of solution will become obsolete for a long time.

Who needs to work? This is much more fun.

-Shawn

On Fri, 17 November 2000, Schaaf John wrote:

> 
> Don't forget that MP3's are compressed.  Even at 5 to 1 compression, 30 gig
> hard drives can be had for under $200 and you win over a $200 200 disc
> changer.  I know they can be had for under $200 also, just some numbers.  I
> compress MP3's at 10 to 1 and can't hear the difference so it comes out way
> cheaper.  Also, a hard drive can be accessed on a per song basis faster than
> your changer can change cd's.  You do however loose the ability to fade
> between tracks from different cd's if you have more than one changer.  You
> can also back your MP3's up onto cd-r's so if your data HD does blow up, you
> don't lose your collection and they will restore pretty quick (or use tape)
> and they are then also portable.
> 
> Just more thoughts.
> I am really going back to work now.
> 
> John
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: shawn@sboyle.com [mailto:shawn@sboyle.com]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:14 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> 
> 
> I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As
> long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way
> IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based
> Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are
> fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the
> occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the
> bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB
> of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]
> 
> Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the
> Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the
> same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.
> 
> I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup for
> as long as I can.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> 
> On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:
> 
> > 
> > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
> gladly
> > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> > 
> > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> > 
> > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > > 
> > > Slightly off subject.
> > > 
> > > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > > correct interface placed on it.
> > > 
> > > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > > and subsequently overpriced.
> > > 
> > > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > 
> > -- 
> > Brian Atkins
> > Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> > http://www.singinst.org/
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
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From klynn@qwest.net Fri, 17 Nov 2000 06:57:12 -0600
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 06:57:12 -0600
From: Kevin Lynn klynn@qwest.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

You can build one pretty easily, but if you're not so inclined, 
commercial ones are becoming available.  Check out: 
http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/things/364e.html

This one looks good, but lacks a CD-RW feature.


Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:

> Slightly off subject.
> 
> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> correct interface placed on it.
> 
> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> and subsequently overpriced.
> 
> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> 
> 
> 
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From curtw@wwwrrr.net Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:53:44 -0600
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 08:53:44 -0600
From: Curt Werdal curtw@wwwrrr.net
Subject: [slinkelist] RSLINK

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working (except for Slinkserv) on Win98 I want to start towards my ultimate
goal which is control from Linux
Does anyone out there have experience with Rslink that could give me hand?
I'm not exactly a Linux newbie but I don't know Perl, etc and I can't get
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Thanks
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From aue@nirvis.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:38:01 -0800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 09:38:01 -0800
From: David Aue aue@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Members Only

Hi All,

Unfortunately we have started to get hit by SPAM on our lists.  Since I
don't really want to be a conduit for the sale of blank checks and such, I
have made this list 'Members Only'.  This means in order to post to the list
you must send from the e-mail address which you signed up with.  If you
can't remember what that was because it was so long ago you can re-subscribe
with your current address.  Any mail sent from an unknown address will be
held for my approval.  I will get to it within 24 hours and let it through
but I'd rather if y'all could save me the trouble and try to send from your
subscribed address.

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From dhermann@chesco.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:46:16 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:46:16 -0500
From: dan herrmann dhermann@chesco.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
drive storage is the way to go.

Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)

When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.





From bdickhaus@mindspring.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:58:57 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 21:58:57 -0500
From: Bill Dickhaus bdickhaus@mindspring.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
to get another one.


-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of dan herrmann
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
drive storage is the way to go.

Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)

When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.



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From kevin@oconnor.net Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:55:29 -0500
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 23:55:29 -0500
From: Kevin O'Connor kevin@oconnor.net
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

In a year or so you should be able to buy a 150GB for around $300. That's
enough to hold 250 or more CDs without any compression. A year or two more
and it will be impossible for a CD changer of any size to compete with a
hard disk. And, if you want the best audio, use a sound card with SPDIF
output and feed your high-end DAC.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dickhaus" <bdickhaus@mindspring.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


> I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one
that
> produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference
is
> very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I
intend
> to get another one.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of dan herrmann
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
>
>
> With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and
hard
> drive storage is the way to go.
>
> Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
>
> When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
>
>
>
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From shawn@sboyle.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:32:19 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 00:32:19 -0500
From: Shawn Boyle shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

You can get a 400 disc changer for $360 SRP today.

While it's probably true that today's audio CDs in a changer won't be able
to compete with a HD, in a couple of years one of these other formats could
very well be giving CDs a run for their money. I really believe it's not if,
but when. If audio DVDs turn out to be the next big thing, that's
potentially 4.4 GB of data per disc. Fill a 400 disc changer with those and
that's ~1.7 TB [and that's assuming they're single sided]. I still don't
think it's worth the trouble to rip my entire collection to any computer
format. Maybe it's because I don't have a real need for portability.

-Shawn

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Kevin O'Connor
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:55 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


In a year or so you should be able to buy a 150GB for around $300. That's
enough to hold 250 or more CDs without any compression. A year or two more
and it will be impossible for a CD changer of any size to compete with a
hard disk. And, if you want the best audio, use a sound card with SPDIF
output and feed your high-end DAC.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Dickhaus" <bdickhaus@mindspring.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:58 PM
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


> I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one
that
> produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference
is
> very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I
intend
> to get another one.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of dan herrmann
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
>
>
> With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and
hard
> drive storage is the way to go.
>
> Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
>
> When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
>
>
>
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From thomasf@jetcity.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:38:24 -0800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 22:38:24 -0800
From: Thomas Fenwick thomasf@jetcity.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

Depending upon what you consider a "reasonable price", Dell has a product
that does this for $299.  It supports Ethernet and Home PNA.

http://www.dell.com/us/en/dhs/topics/center_tools_dac_tools_receiver.htm

> Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 07:56:55 -0800
> From: "Tom Hammond-Doel" <Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com>
> Organization: Vixel Corporation
> To: Ian Cole <iancole@earthlink.net>,
> Slinke Group <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server
>
> Ian Cole wrote:
>
> > Would you have storage local in each device?
>
> Under my selfish view of specifying this device, it would not have local
storage
> and would basically just be a thin-client.
>
> > Any display or just a closed "black-box"?
>
> Black box.  The control area has been the most confusing in the industry.
Over
> two years ago we had a discussion on this board on the need for what have
now
> been called "internet appliances", like the WebPAD, to control home
systems.
> Bose has a nice little LCD touch pad, but it doesn't quite kit the mark.
Having
> multiple types of controllers will be coming out soon enough.  The ability
to
> have a nice little color display that can show the ALBUM cover of a song
that is
> currently playing (AKA, Party GUI or CDJ) that is touch-screen capable is
very
> desirable.  We're already there, but the price-point still hasn't hit yet.
> Alternatively, I could live right now with one of those $99
Palm-Look-Alikes and
> a serial connection - as long as they can be programmed to handle home
> automation needs.
>






From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:52:36 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:52:36 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on =
one end
of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players =
throughout
the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a =
room on
the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network =
connection.

Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.  =
But that
doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great =
audio
quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is =
adequate.  Can
you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like =
the key
would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't=
 have
yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network=
 for
reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be=
 stereo
distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have =
digital
outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be =
nice,
but truly not necessary!

Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without =
a
network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network & =
PC,
although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!

So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on =
this
topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of=
 X10.)

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From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:47:30 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:47:30 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

David,

I use two devices from Sonance: LS-1 takes a stereo line out from your
receiver at the SLINK-E end and turns it into a balance Line Out. You then
use a shielded 4 conductor wire to the area you have your second receiver.
The run can be at least 500 ft if needed. At the remote end you use their
LR-1 which converts the signal back to RCA line out to your second receiver.
Then if you want to listen to the CDJ/SLINK-E program, just select that
input on the second receiver. No signal loss that I can discern. You can use
up to 3 LR-1 (receivers) for each LS-1 (Sender) daisy chained to extend the
line signal to other remote receivers/amps.

Parker

> From: David Morgenlender <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 09:52:36 -0500
> To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever
> 
> I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
> short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on one end
> of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players throughout
> the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a room
> on
> the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network
> connection.
> 
> Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.  But
> that
> doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great audio
> quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is adequate.
> Can
> you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like the
> key
> would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't have
> yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network for
> reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be
> stereo
> distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have
> digital
> outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be nice,
> but truly not necessary!
> 
> Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without a
> network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network & PC,
> although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!
> 
> So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on this
> topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of
> X10.)
> 
> =======================================================
> Dave Morgenlender
> e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> =======================================================
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:36:29 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:36:29 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:47:30 -0500, you wrote:

>I use two devices from Sonance: LS-1 takes a stereo line out from your
>receiver at the SLINK-E end and turns it into a balance Line Out. You =
then
>use a shielded 4 conductor wire to the area you have your second =
receiver.
>The run can be at least 500 ft if needed. At the remote end you use =
their
>LR-1 which converts the signal back to RCA line out to your second =
receiver.
>Then if you want to listen to the CDJ/SLINK-E program, just select that
>input on the second receiver. No signal loss that I can discern. You can=
 use
>up to 3 LR-1 (receivers) for each LS-1 (Sender) daisy chained to extend =
the
>line signal to other remote receivers/amps.

Thanks for the suggestion.  I just looked this up on the web.  I found =
info
about the product, but no prices.  This is all preliminary, but a rough =
cost
estimate wouldn't hurt any <g>!  Do you know offhand about how much they =
& the
cable cost?

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From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:32:04 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:32:04 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

I think I paid about $70 for the LR-1 and $100 for the LS-1. You could
probably find better prices if you look around.

I'm sure other companies make these things, I just dont have any info on
them.

The Cable is a  Belden Cable #8723-060
Special Purpose Audio Com & Instrument Cable
2PR 22AWG Shielded with drain wire

It comes in both 100' & 500' (about $100)

Hope that helps.

Parker

> From: David Morgenlender <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 15:36:29 -0500
> To: Marc Parker <parkdog@ix.netcom.com>
> Cc: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever
> 
> On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 14:47:30 -0500, you wrote:
> 
>> I use two devices from Sonance: LS-1 takes a stereo line out from your
>> receiver at the SLINK-E end and turns it into a balance Line Out. You then
>> use a shielded 4 conductor wire to the area you have your second receiver.
>> The run can be at least 500 ft if needed. At the remote end you use their
>> LR-1 which converts the signal back to RCA line out to your second receiver.
>> Then if you want to listen to the CDJ/SLINK-E program, just select that
>> input on the second receiver. No signal loss that I can discern. You can use
>> up to 3 LR-1 (receivers) for each LS-1 (Sender) daisy chained to extend the
>> line signal to other remote receivers/amps.
> 
> Thanks for the suggestion.  I just looked this up on the web.  I found info
> about the product, but no prices.  This is all preliminary, but a rough cost
> estimate wouldn't hurt any <g>!  Do you know offhand about how much they & the
> cable cost?
> 
> =======================================================
> Dave Morgenlender
> e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> =======================================================
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mypeter@bigfoot.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:58:42 -0800
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 13:58:42 -0800
From: Peter Myers mypeter@bigfoot.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New Feature request

A great feature for CDJ would be to add the ability to use third party MP3
players (like Winamp).  That way, we could use other formats supported by
third party players and plugins.  Like the lossless .shn format.  Vol
control  could also be supported as well as scan forward and back within a
track.  Many current MP3 players support these.  Those of us with displays
could also use the visualiztions to trip out our buddies at our raves.
Perhaps multiple mp3 players could be used to add crossfade capabilities.

Don't know if this is possible or if mp3 players can be used this way, but
it'd be great (and an improvement over CDJ's basic MP3 player).





From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:00:09 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:00:09 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 16:32:04 -0500, you wrote:

>I think I paid about $70 for the LR-1 and $100 for the LS-1. You could
>probably find better prices if you look around.
>
>I'm sure other companies make these things, I just dont have any info on
>them.
>
>The Cable is a  Belden Cable #8723-060
>Special Purpose Audio Com & Instrument Cable
>2PR 22AWG Shielded with drain wire
>
>It comes in both 100' & 500' (about $100)
>
>Hope that helps.

It sure does!  Thanks!

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From brian@posthuman.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:09:28 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:09:28 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

I would gladly pay Colby $200 if he could get this done (auto-rip of all
tracks in my changers to perfect WAV files, CDJ working with those tracks).
I would also have no problem buying a new audio card with digital input to
get this done.

Marc Parker wrote:
> 
> Maybe we should start to pool a fund to pay Colby to do this? If enough
> people kicked in $100 we could get this thing off the ground.
> 
> I agree, the mechanical thing is no longer state of the art.  It was great
> and still works OK, but the evalution of CDJ has got to be toward HD
> storage.
> 
> Maybe we should put our money where our mouth is. Colby has spent a great
> deal of time ($$$) developing CDJ. He makes his money on the Slink-e to
> support it. What happens when the Slink-e is no longer needed to control the
> changers?
> 
> Parker
> 
> > From: Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com>
> > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> >
> > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
> > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> >
> > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> >
> > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> >>
> >> Slightly off subject.
> >>
> >> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> >> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> >> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> >> correct interface placed on it.
> >>
> >> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> >> and subsequently overpriced.
> >>
> >> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> >> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> >> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> >> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> >> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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> > --
> > Brian Atkins
> > Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
> > http://www.singinst.org/
> >
> >
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From brian@posthuman.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:12:36 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:12:36 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Schaaf John wrote:
> 
> My 2 cents.
> 
> 1)  Do you really want to convert your cd's to analog to record them on your
> computer back into digital MP3 format?

No I don't. I want to digitally copy the CD tracks onto hard drives.

> 
> 2)  Do you want to wait / not be able to play any music while it is doing it
> in real time? I know you could have it do it while you are sleeping but then
> consider how much longer it would take.  My friend with a slinke has over
> 800 cd's and I know some of you have even more.

This would take a while, but I prefer an automated method rather than having
to take all the CDs out of the changers and put them through my cd-rom drive.
-- 
Brian Atkins
Director, Singularity Institute for Artificial Intelligence
http://www.singinst.org/




From brian@posthuman.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:15:04 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:15:04 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Right, I want pure wav files, not mp3. Hard drives are just entering the
range where this financially makes sense. The important thing to realize is
that hard drive capacity is doubling every 12 months or even faster, for the
same price.

shawn@sboyle.com wrote:
> 
> I didn't figure MP3 compression into it because Brian specifically mentioned .wav files. If you do consider compression I bet the cost/min of music definitely falls below that of a changer. And granted MP3s can be randomly accessed better but with multiple changers you get almost the same amount of flexibility. Maybe I just don't like the idea of too much convergence. To me the PC is not the best way to deliver music -- backups and restores are a pain in the ass, you have to get the audio from wherever the PC is to wherever you amp is, and I don't care what OS your using a PC will have more down time than a CD player.
> 
> Plus there's the fact that CD's are hardly the final word in digital audio. SACDs are patiently waiting in the wings, and there's the possibility of multichannel [more than two] audio being delivered on DVD. While I have no idea how most of us will get our music in the future, I know it certainly won't still be on CDs. And with more data being stored on the disc [bringing with it better sound] it becomes less and less practical to store that data on a HD, or stream it over the internet. [Attention record companies -- this is a great way to beat Napster.]
> 
> My point isn't that MP3s are bad, it's that an Slink-e and changer solution is not obsolete. And I don't think this type of solution will become obsolete for a long time.
> 
> Who needs to work? This is much more fun.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> On Fri, 17 November 2000, Schaaf John wrote:
> 
> >
> > Don't forget that MP3's are compressed.  Even at 5 to 1 compression, 30 gig
> > hard drives can be had for under $200 and you win over a $200 200 disc
> > changer.  I know they can be had for under $200 also, just some numbers.  I
> > compress MP3's at 10 to 1 and can't hear the difference so it comes out way
> > cheaper.  Also, a hard drive can be accessed on a per song basis faster than
> > your changer can change cd's.  You do however loose the ability to fade
> > between tracks from different cd's if you have more than one changer.  You
> > can also back your MP3's up onto cd-r's so if your data HD does blow up, you
> > don't lose your collection and they will restore pretty quick (or use tape)
> > and they are then also portable.
> >
> > Just more thoughts.
> > I am really going back to work now.
> >
> > John
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: shawn@sboyle.com [mailto:shawn@sboyle.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:14 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> >
> >
> > I think this depends on which direction Sony goes with their equipment. As
> > long as they keep a two way interface, whether it's Control A1 or two way
> > IR, or Firewire, or whatever, there will be a need for the hardware based
> > Slink-e. Personally I will never give up my CD changers. Hard drives are
> > fast, but it's all too easy to lose data. I'll still use MP3s to copy the
> > occasional disc that I don't like enough to spend $15 on, but I'll keep the
> > bulk of my music on nice, safe, cheap CDs. [If my math is right the cost/MB
> > of CDs in a changer is much lower that of hard drives.]
> >
> > Then there's my Sony receiver and MD deck both of which I control with the
> > Slink-e, and if Sony wakes up and gives it's next line of DVD changers the
> > same Control A1II features that it's CD changers have, I'll be all set.
> >
> > I'm going to keep my little Slink-e box a part of my home theater setup for
> > as long as I can.
> >
> > -Shawn
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 16 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would
> > gladly
> > > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> > >
> > > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> > >
> > > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Slightly off subject.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > > > thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > > > audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > > > correct interface placed on it.
> > > >
> > > > I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > > > and subsequently overpriced.
> > > >
> > > > Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > > > this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > > > engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > > > you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > > > a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > > >
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> > > http://www.singinst.org/
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From brian@posthuman.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:17:02 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:17:02 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

Yes it would if you captured the tracks digitally. Within about 5 years or
sooner, you should be able to find every CD track ever released on the Net
in wav or mp3 format. I am tired of playing with atoms, it all should be
electrons...

Dean Mullin wrote:
> 
> Would the quality of the audio be equal to that of the original audio CD's?
> 
> At 08:28 AM 11/17/2000 -0500, Marc Parker wrote:
> >Maybe we should start to pool a fund to pay Colby to do this? If enough
> >people kicked in $100 we could get this thing off the ground.
> >
> >I agree, the mechanical thing is no longer state of the art.  It was great
> >and still works OK, but the evalution of CDJ has got to be toward HD
> >storage.
> >
> >Maybe we should put our money where our mouth is. Colby has spent a great
> >deal of time ($$$) developing CDJ. He makes his money on the Slink-e to
> >support it. What happens when the Slink-e is no longer needed to control the
> >changers?
> >
> >Parker
> >
> > > From: Brian Atkins <brian@posthuman.com>
> > > Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 01:34:05 -0500
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
> > >
> > > no no no, what Colby has to realize is that with 180GB hard drives now
> > > becoming available, he needs to work on ditching the whole hardware based
> > > CDJ approach (i.e. slink-e and changers). He needs to come up with a way
> > > to auto-rip CDs via changers into WAVs, and modify CDJ to work with those.
> > > I want to get rid of my changers!!! (and I hate MP3 quality) I would gladly
> > > pay for the CDJ software if it could do this.
> > >
> > > P.S. I am not sure if it is what you want, but look at shoutcast.com
> > >
> > > Tom Hammond-Doel wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Slightly off subject.
> > >>
> > >> Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
> > >> thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
> > >> audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
> > >> correct interface placed on it.
> > >>
> > >> I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
> > >> and subsequently overpriced.
> > >>
> > >> Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
> > >> this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
> > >> engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
> > >> you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
> > >> a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
> > >>
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> > >> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
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> > > http://www.singinst.org/
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From brian@posthuman.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:20:50 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 17:20:50 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

It doesn't matter, with hard drives doubling in capacity every 12 months
the amount of storage per dollar is going to completely outstrip any kind
of proprietary format. I would love to rip all my DVDs to hard drives too.

The ultimate goal is to have a media server that will hold your collection,
and also access the Net via broadband or faster connection to interface to
other people's collections so you can have access to any content you want at
any time from anywhere.

Shawn Boyle wrote:
> 
> You can get a 400 disc changer for $360 SRP today.
> 
> While it's probably true that today's audio CDs in a changer won't be able
> to compete with a HD, in a couple of years one of these other formats could
> very well be giving CDs a run for their money. I really believe it's not if,
> but when. If audio DVDs turn out to be the next big thing, that's
> potentially 4.4 GB of data per disc. Fill a 400 disc changer with those and
> that's ~1.7 TB [and that's assuming they're single sided]. I still don't
> think it's worth the trouble to rip my entire collection to any computer
> format. Maybe it's because I don't have a real need for portability.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Kevin O'Connor
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:55 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> In a year or so you should be able to buy a 150GB for around $300. That's
> enough to hold 250 or more CDs without any compression. A year or two more
> and it will be impossible for a CD changer of any size to compete with a
> hard disk. And, if you want the best audio, use a sound card with SPDIF
> output and feed your high-end DAC.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Dickhaus" <bdickhaus@mindspring.com>
> To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:58 PM
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> > I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> > with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one
> that
> > produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference
> is
> > very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> > interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I
> intend
> > to get another one.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of dan herrmann
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> >
> >
> > With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and
> hard
> > drive storage is the way to go.
> >
> > Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> > pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> >
> > When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> >
> >
> >
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From TWHumphrey@fuse.net Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:30:26 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:30:26 -0500
From: Thomas W. Humphrey TWHumphrey@fuse.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

Awesome, another MIT alum in the slinke community!  I was course 6-1, class
of '88.

My suggestion would be to buy yourself a Ramsey FM-10A bootleg FM
transmitter, set it up to put the audio out of your changers on an unused FM
station.  You can then get medium quality slink-e audio, wirelessly,
anywhere you have a radio, including your backyard, bedroom, etc.  I use
this in my house and it is a good solution.

Tom Humphrey
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Morgenlender" <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever


I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on one
end
of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players
throughout
the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a
room on
the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network
connection.

Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.  But
that
doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great audio
quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is adequate.
Can
you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like the
key
would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't
have
yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network
for
reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be
stereo
distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have
digital
outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be
nice,
but truly not necessary!

Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without a
network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network & PC,
although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!

So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on
this
topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of
X10.)

=======================================================
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
=======================================================







From TWHumphrey@fuse.net Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:37:21 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 19:37:21 -0500
From: Thomas W. Humphrey TWHumphrey@fuse.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

Awesome, another MIT alum in the slinke community!  I was course 6-1, class
of '88.

 My suggestion would be to buy yourself a Ramsey FM-10A bootleg FM
transmitter, set it up to put the audio out of your changers on an unused FM
station.  You can then get medium quality slink-e audio, wirelessly,
anywhere you have a radio, including your backyard, bedroom, etc.  I use
this in my house and it is a good solution.

Tom Humphrey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Morgenlender" <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
> To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:52 AM
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever
>
>
> I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
> short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on one
> end
> of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players
> throughout
> the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a
> room on
> the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network
> connection.
>
> Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.  But
> that
> doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great
audio
> quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is adequate.
> Can
> you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like
the
> key
> would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't
> have
> yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network
> for
> reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be
> stereo
> distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have
> digital
> outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be
> nice,
> but truly not necessary!
>
> Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without a
> network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network &
PC,
> although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!
>
> So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on
> this
> topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of
> X10.)
>
> =======================================================
> Dave Morgenlender
> e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> =======================================================
>
>
>





From paulj@qualcomm.com Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:37:39 -0800
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 18:37:39 -0800
From: Paul K Johnson paulj@qualcomm.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

I've heard that the Ramsey FM-10a tends to drift, of course at this price (~$30?) it seems like a bargain.  Also the power seems minimal, although I know there are lots of sites describing how to increase the power.  If you were willing to spend more is there something similar with less drift and more power that sounds as good?

paul

At 07:30 PM 11/18/2000 -0500, Thomas W. Humphrey wrote:
>Awesome, another MIT alum in the slinke community!  I was course 6-1, class
>of '88.
>
>My suggestion would be to buy yourself a Ramsey FM-10A bootleg FM
>transmitter, set it up to put the audio out of your changers on an unused FM
>station.  You can then get medium quality slink-e audio, wirelessly,
>anywhere you have a radio, including your backyard, bedroom, etc.  I use
>this in my house and it is a good solution.
>
>Tom Humphrey
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "David Morgenlender" <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
>To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
>Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:52 AM
>Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever
>
>
>I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
>short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on one
>end
>of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players
>throughout
>the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a
>room on
>the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network
>connection.
>
>Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.  But
>that
>doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great audio
>quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is adequate.
>Can
>you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like the
>key
>would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't
>have
>yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network
>for
>reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be
>stereo
>distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have
>digital
>outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be
>nice,
>but truly not necessary!
>
>Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without a
>network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network & PC,
>although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!
>
>So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on
>this
>topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of
>X10.)
>
>=======================================================
>Dave Morgenlender
>e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
>=======================================================
>
>
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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From TWHumphrey@fuse.net Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:14:58 -0500
Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:14:58 -0500
From: Thomas W. Humphrey TWHumphrey@fuse.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

The Ramsey FM-25 model is a more high-end alternative, for those willing to
part with more money.

Tom.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul K Johnson" <paulj@qualcomm.com>
To: "Thomas W. Humphrey" <TWHumphrey@alum.mit.edu>; "David Morgenlender"
<dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever


> I've heard that the Ramsey FM-10a tends to drift, of course at this price
(~$30?) it seems like a bargain.  Also the power seems minimal, although I
know there are lots of sites describing how to increase the power.  If you
were willing to spend more is there something similar with less drift and
more power that sounds as good?
>
> paul
>
> At 07:30 PM 11/18/2000 -0500, Thomas W. Humphrey wrote:
> >Awesome, another MIT alum in the slinke community!  I was course 6-1,
class
> >of '88.
> >
> >My suggestion would be to buy yourself a Ramsey FM-10A bootleg FM
> >transmitter, set it up to put the audio out of your changers on an unused
FM
> >station.  You can then get medium quality slink-e audio, wirelessly,
> >anywhere you have a radio, including your backyard, bedroom, etc.  I use
> >this in my house and it is a good solution.
> >
> >Tom Humphrey
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "David Morgenlender" <dmorgen@alum.mit.edu>
> >To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> >Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2000 9:52 AM
> >Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever
> >
> >
> >I've been enjoying this discussion!  It's gotten me to thinking about my
> >short-term needs.  I've got my CD players, PC running CDJ & Slink-e on
one
> >end
> >of the house.  I'd love to be able to play music from these players
> >throughout
> >the house.  But most importantly, I'd love to be able to play music in a
> >room on
> >the opposite end of the house;  the room has a stereo, PC & network
> >connection.
> >
> >Presumably, I can use SlinkeServ to run CDJ from the PC in that room.
But
> >that
> >doesn't get the audio into that room.  I'd like, but don't need, great
audio
> >quality there;  an analog output from PC sound card to stereo is
adequate.
> >Can
> >you suggest any relatively simple way to accomplish this?  It seems like
the
> >key
> >would be the Slink-e room:  to connect a receiver or mixer (which I don't
> >have
> >yet) output to a PC, then somehow distributing the audio over the network
> >for
> >reception by the PC in the other room.  Otherwise, I guess there could be
> >stereo
> >distribution directly (without PC & network).  BTW, the CD players have
> >digital
> >outputs, but not the receiver.  Actually, digital distribution would be
> >nice,
> >but truly not necessary!
> >
> >Secondarily, it would be nice to select & distribute into a room without
a
> >network connection.  I suspect the solution here is to install network &
PC,
> >although I'd really like to avoid that, especially the PC!
> >
> >So ... any suggestions?  Can you recommend any place to look for info on
> >this
> >topic?  (I know little about home automation, other than the existence of
> >X10.)
> >
> >=======================================================
> >Dave Morgenlender
> >e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
> >=======================================================
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From teepe@gmx.net Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:04:46 +0100
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:04:46 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: [slinkelist] skipping problem

Hi all !

I have with the last version of cdj the old skip problem !!
Can anyone help me ? It seems that the skip problem appears only on the
first player !
I have 4 x sony cdp-350 !

Please help !!!!!

Thanks in advance
Gerd Teepe





From teepe@gmx.net Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:26 +0100
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:26 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: [slinkelist] (no subject)

Hi here are the last data before a player stops !!

Thanks for help !
Gerd


dslr012:time[04010254] 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
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From teepe@gmx.net Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:13 +0100
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:44:13 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: [slinkelist] data from my skip problem

Hi all !

Here some data from my last skip !

Please help !

Grtx.
Gerd

cdsls022:mode 
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cdslr012:time[01010000] 
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cdslr012:time[01010001] 
cdslr012:time[01010002] 
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cdsls002:mode 
cdslr002:mode[0240002409] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[00110000] 
cdslr012:time[01010008] 
cdsls022:mode 
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cdslr022:mode[02C0006202] 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
cdjr:playlist_stop
cdslr012:time[01010009] 
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cdslr002:stop 
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cdsls012:stop 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[0] 
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cdslr032:stop 
cdslr032:stop 
cdsls012:mode 
cdslr012:mode[00C0002400] 




From AndyStein@aol.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:04 EST
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:56:04 EST
From: AndyStein@aol.com AndyStein@aol.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

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       Two questions come to mind:

       1.  Any thoughts on the sound quality of MP3s vs. that of CDs? I 
haven't directly compared the two, but some believe MP3s do not sound as good.

       2.  Are the CD's optics more reliable than the magnetics of the hard 
drive? Perhaps the reliability of the hard drive becomes less of a concern if 
one retains the source CDs, but it would be cumbersome to re-rip an entire CD 
collection should the hard drive fail.


       Andrew


In a message dated 11/18/00 2:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
brian@posthuman.com writes:


> It doesn't matter, with hard drives doubling in capacity every 12 months
> the amount of storage per dollar is going to completely outstrip any kind
> of proprietary format. I would love to rip all my DVDs to hard drives too.
> 
> The ultimate goal is to have a media server that will hold your collection,
> and also access the Net via broadband or faster connection to interface to
> other people's collections so you can have access to any content you want at
> any time from anywhere.
> 
> Shawn Boyle wrote:
> > 
> > You can get a 400 disc changer for $360 SRP today.
> > 
> > While it's probably true that today's audio CDs in a changer won't be able
> > to compete with a HD, in a couple of years one of these other formats 
> could
> > very well be giving CDs a run for their money. I really believe it's not 
> if,
> > but when. If audio DVDs turn out to be the next big thing, that's
> > potentially 4.4 GB of data per disc. Fill a 400 disc changer with those 
> and
> > that's ~1.7 TB [and that's assuming they're single sided]. I still don't
> > think it's worth the trouble to rip my entire collection to any computer
> > format. Maybe it's because I don't have a real need for portability.
> > 
> > -Shawn
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Kevin O'Connor
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:55 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > 
> > In a year or so you should be able to buy a 150GB for around $300. That's
> > enough to hold 250 or more CDs without any compression. A year or two more
> > and it will be impossible for a CD changer of any size to compete with a
> > hard disk. And, if you want the best audio, use a sound card with SPDIF
> > output and feed your high-end DAC.
> >



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<HTML><FONT  SIZE=2>  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Two questions come to mind:
<BR>
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1. &nbsp;Any thoughts on the sound quality of MP3s vs. that of CDs? I <BR>haven't directly compared the two, but some believe MP3s do not sound as good.
<BR>
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;2. &nbsp;Are the CD's optics more reliable than the magnetics of the hard <BR>drive? Perhaps the reliability of the hard drive becomes less of a concern if <BR>one retains the source CDs, but it would be cumbersome to re-rip an entire CD <BR>collection should the hard drive fail.
<BR>
<BR>
<BR> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Andrew
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>In a message dated 11/18/00 2:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>brian@posthuman.com writes:
<BR>
<BR>
<BR><BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">It doesn't matter, with hard drives doubling in capacity every 12 months
<BR>the amount of storage per dollar is going to completely outstrip any kind
<BR>of proprietary format. I would love to rip all my DVDs to hard drives too.
<BR>
<BR>The ultimate goal is to have a media server that will hold your collection,
<BR>and also access the Net via broadband or faster connection to interface to
<BR>other people's collections so you can have access to any content you want at
<BR>any time from anywhere.
<BR>
<BR>Shawn Boyle wrote:
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; You can get a 400 disc changer for $360 SRP today.
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; While it's probably true that today's audio CDs in a changer won't be able
<BR>&gt; to compete with a HD, in a couple of years one of these other formats <BR>could
<BR>&gt; very well be giving CDs a run for their money. I really believe it's not <BR>if,
<BR>&gt; but when. If audio DVDs turn out to be the next big thing, that's
<BR>&gt; potentially 4.4 GB of data per disc. Fill a 400 disc changer with those <BR>and
<BR>&gt; that's ~1.7 TB [and that's assuming they're single sided]. I still don't
<BR>&gt; think it's worth the trouble to rip my entire collection to any computer
<BR>&gt; format. Maybe it's because I don't have a real need for portability.
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; -Shawn
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; -----Original Message-----
<BR>&gt; From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
<BR>&gt; Behalf Of Kevin O'Connor
<BR>&gt; Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 11:55 PM
<BR>&gt; To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
<BR>&gt; Subject: Re: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
<BR>&gt; 
<BR>&gt; In a year or so you should be able to buy a 150GB for around $300. That's
<BR>&gt; enough to hold 250 or more CDs without any compression. A year or two more
<BR>&gt; and it will be impossible for a CD changer of any size to compete with a
<BR>&gt; hard disk. And, if you want the best audio, use a sound card with SPDIF
<BR>&gt; output and feed your high-end DAC.
<BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE>
<BR>
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Subject: [slinkelist] Distribution

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From PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:16 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:16 -0500
From: PaulMmn PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server

>Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 20:59:39 -0500
>To: "Tom Hammond-Doel" <Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com>
>From: PaulMmn <PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>To transform an audio CD into a WAV, and keep the same audio 
>quality, and stereo, you're going to need more than 600 Meg of 
>storage per hour of music (That's 48,000 samples (of at least 2 
>bytes per sample) per second x 3600 seconds x 2 channels = 691 Meg). 
>And the best place to store such samples?  On a CD....   or maybe a 
>DVD...
>
>DVD is what?  4.7 gig?  About 8 CDs?  I'm over 400 CDs at the 
>moment; that's 240 Gigabytes; still 50 DVDs.  Until there's a more 
>compact storage medium that still gives CD quality (or better) 
>sound, I'm afraid we're stuck with changers of some sort.
>
>--Paul E Musselman
>PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com
>
>
>
>
>
>>Slightly off subject.
>>
>>Is there a REASONABLY priced digital audio server out there?  All the
>>thing has to do is have an ethernet connection in and a decoded MP3
>>audio out.  After that, even CDJ could control the thing with the
>>correct interface placed on it.
>>
>>I've seen the Audiotron, DAS, and AudioRequest, but they're over spec'd
>>and subsequently overpriced.
>>
>>Just a SIMPLE NETWORK MP3 PLAYER!  That's not too much to ask is it?  Is
>>this another device I'm going to have to build myself (I'm a firmware
>>engineer)?  For that matter, Colby, this seems like a prime project for
>>you.  Want some help?  Throw a Net+Arm and MP3 decoder on a card, or use
>>a PC104.  Seems pretty simple.
>>
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
>>http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist





From PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:50 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 16:09:50 -0500
From: PaulMmn PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons

>Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 22:46:46 -0500
>To: "Joe Arcara" <jarcara@wi.rr.com>
>From: PaulMmn <PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: [slinkelist] CDJ Buttons
>Cc:
>Bcc:
>X-Attachments:
>
>I used program Paint Shop Pro to edit the file (USER.BMP).  It's 
>precisely 16 bits tall by 16*100 bits wide.  Each 16 bit-wide 
>section is the icon for a button of the same number.  If you change 
>the color depth, you can edit the icons in color, and CDJ will 
>display it in color.
>
>Microsoft PAINT will also open and edit the file.
>
>--Paul E Musselman
>PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com
>
>
>
>>I looked at that, it has 1-10 on it.  I think I need something other than
>>paint brush to modify it.  Is it cut up into 10 segments?
>>
>>  > Simply modify the user.bmp image in the CDJ directory...
>>
>>  > > Are there options for other buttons on CDJ?  I have user 1, 2, 3 etc.
>>  > > programmed to control things (TV).  Can I change the button graphic?





From paulw@comtech.com.au Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:55:59 +1100
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:55:59 +1100
From: Paul Wilkinson paulw@comtech.com.au
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing on TINI

Hi Everyone,

It is interesting that a very similar topic has come up on two lists I
read at almost the same time.

For the Slink-e people, the TINI is a $50 "SIMM" based computer with
built-in 10BaseT ethernet that runs Java "natively".
For the TINI people, the Slink-e is a box that can control Sony audio
equipment via the proprietary Slink bus as well as do two-way IR.  It
has a free supporting program called CDJ that can control CD changers
and play MP3s.

Ok, that's the introductions over.
The topic that has come up on both lists is basically:

While there are plenty of "put a HD full of MP3's in this box" type MP3
solutions, there doesn't seem to be a solution based around "put a cheap
"receiver" on the network and stream from my computer".

The TINI and the LP3 (see http://lp3music.com) could be a solution.  Any
thoughts?

Regards,
  Paul Wilkinson



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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:40:27 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:40:27 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

Tom,

>Awesome, another MIT alum in the slinke community!  I was course 6-1, =
class
>of '88.

I was 6.1 (officially anyway;  I was really a combined 6.1 & 6.3), class =
of '72
... so I'm an old fogie <g>!  Are you practicing EE these days?

>My suggestion would be to buy yourself a Ramsey FM-10A bootleg FM
>transmitter, set it up to put the audio out of your changers on an =
unused FM
>station.  You can then get medium quality slink-e audio, wirelessly,
>anywhere you have a radio, including your backyard, bedroom, etc.  I use
>this in my house and it is a good solution.

That sounds like a great solution.  What do you mean by "bootleg"?

I searched for this ... apparently this is a kit.  How long does it take =
to put
together? =20

I feel pretty handy with a soldering iron.  But it's been a lot of years =
since
I've done any real EE work (I'm in software these days), and my =
diagnostic tools
are limited to a voltmeter ... so I'm wondering how I'd diagnose a =
problem,
should there be one after assembly.  What kinds of tools are necessary =
for this
kind of kit?

Thanks for the suggestion!

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:41:40 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 17:41:40 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio Reciever

On Sat, 18 Nov 2000 23:14:58 -0500, you wrote:

>The Ramsey FM-25 model is a more high-end alternative, for those willing=
 to
>part with more money.

Is this only available as a kit?  How long does it take to assemble it?

=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Dave Morgenlender
e-mail: dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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From greggs@dowco.com Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:49:31 -0800
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2000 11:49:31 -0800
From: Gregg Sheehan greggs@dowco.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

   The most recent topic has been skirting around the idea of obsoleting CD 
JUKES and replacing them with HD storage. Several points: A majority of FM 
radio stations in North America currently use a LAN and WAN  type system of 
music storage, organization and delivery. That is, songs, spots, segues 
etc. are ripped into WAV. or MPEG Layer 2 files, stored on a big RAID array 
file server ( not necessarily local ) and pulled off, when required, to a 
work station or broadcast PC to be manipulated or to be broadcast.
   The storage medium is 16 bit full bandwidth with typically 3:1 or 5:1 
data compression. It doesn't sound too much worse than yer average CD. With 
HD's being as cheap as borscht, it's pretty cost effective, especially for 
a commercial facility.The RAID array is for redundancy and hotswapping 
drives but a home backup drive costs less than a CD juke anyway. If you 
have a decent sound card, preferably an professional "outboard" style, 
(generally better converters and less noise ) it's quite feasible to 
replace many jukes with one PC. More and more source music is being 
tracked, mixed, edited and mastered on the PC HW/SW platform every day. 
There's also a pot of software available in this platform.
  For my money, MP3's sound like shyte. I can always hear a cyclic "phase 
shifter" type sound within and a messed up top end. I suppose it's passable 
if you listen on the typical crap PC speakers after 5 beers, but they 
generally don't pass any listening on pro gear. Uncompressed WAV's sound 
best but eat up a bit more real estate. Do you really need that 
extra-special club mix of the latest Britney poo anyway ?
 The most useful aspect of Slinkee is the IR control part. Being able to 
burn 9 or more  handheld remotes is a major bonus. I don't see much 
discussion of the home automation uses of this cool product. What's up with 
that ?

  auddoc@yahoo.com
 





From ys2n@virginia.edu Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:31:31 -0500 (EST)
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 18:31:31 -0500 (EST)
From: Yuji Shinozaki ys2n@virginia.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing on
 TINI

Ah.  I can see it now:  On the way home with that special date, you
connect to your home-based TINI on your WAP-enabled cell phone, and cue up
some Stan Getz so that it is playing when you get home...

yuji
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On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Paul Wilkinson wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> It is interesting that a very similar topic has come up on two lists I
> read at almost the same time.
> 
> For the Slink-e people, the TINI is a $50 "SIMM" based computer with
> built-in 10BaseT ethernet that runs Java "natively".
> For the TINI people, the Slink-e is a box that can control Sony audio
> equipment via the proprietary Slink bus as well as do two-way IR.  It
> has a free supporting program called CDJ that can control CD changers
> and play MP3s.
> 
> Ok, that's the introductions over.
> The topic that has come up on both lists is basically:
> 
> While there are plenty of "put a HD full of MP3's in this box" type MP3
> solutions, there doesn't seem to be a solution based around "put a cheap
> "receiver" on the network and stream from my computer".
> 
> The TINI and the LP3 (see http://lp3music.com) could be a solution.  Any
> thoughts?
> 
> Regards,
>   Paul Wilkinson
> 
> 
> 
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From koreys@soundart.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:37:35 -0600
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 20:37:35 -0600
From: Korey Sherwin koreys@soundart.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gregg Sheehan" <greggs@dowco.com>
To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 1:49 PM
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

>  The most useful aspect of Slinkee is the IR control part. Being able to
> burn 9 or more  handheld remotes is a major bonus. I don't see much
> discussion of the home automation uses of this cool product. What's up
with
> that ?
>
>   auddoc@yahoo.com
>


I have to agree, the Slink-e is the heart of my HA system..
Slink-e... It there anything it can't do?  ;-)
--
Korey Sherwin
Sound Art, Canada
http://soundart.com







From iancole@earthlink.net Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:58:49 -0500
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:58:49 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

Nirivs has done a great job of making the CD Changer control "Plug & play" -
most other automation requires some "glue" programming, even if in a
high-level scripting engine. I use my Slink-e to as the base for my whole
automation system, but I have quite a bit of code running on top of the
slink-e layer. I've written silly automations like "If I hit the volume up
button and the system is muted, UNMUTE it, don't kick the volume up!" (I
lost an amp that way once)

Until the software developers create some universal ways of controlling all
these different devices (such as the digital audio server we've been
discussing on this thread) and make it easy to integrate new devices, I
don't see many "non-programmers" creating large automation systems.

Ian

FYI., you can read about my slink-e based home automation @
www.technovelocity.com/hase

>  The most useful aspect of Slinkee is the IR control part. Being able to
> burn 9 or more  handheld remotes is a major bonus. I don't see much
> discussion of the home automation uses of this cool product. What's up
with
> that ?






From teepe@gmx.net Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:00:47 +0100
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:00:47 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: WG: [slinkelist] (no subject)

Hi here are the last data before a player stops !!

Thanks for help !
Gerd


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From teepe@gmx.net Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:01:02 +0100
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:01:02 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: WG: [slinkelist] skipping problem

Hi all !

I have with the last version of cdj the old skip problem !!
Can anyone help me ? It seems that the skip problem appears only on the
first player !
I have 4 x sony cdp-350 !

Please help !!!!!

Thanks in advance
Gerd Teepe



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From paulw@comtech.com.au Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:41:12 +1100
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:41:12 +1100
From: Paul Wilkinson paulw@comtech.com.au
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing onTINI

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Hi Bruce,

After I posted I also saw the message about the LP3 not being available. Doh!
ST has some chips that look pretty good.  I think the STA013 has already been
mentioned in this thread and is around US$30.
http://us.st.com/stonline/prodpres/dedicate/mp3/mp3.htm
Anyone with hardware prototyping experience care to design a board?
Regards,

Paul W





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From gtsoukas@cisco.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:15:25 +1100
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 18:15:25 +1100
From: Tsoukas,George gtsoukas@cisco.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K

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Hi,
 
I have Windows 2000 and am trying to run CDJ. I get told to install the
latest NT service pack. How can I get CDJ to work with Win2K?
 
Please reply to my email address if possible.
 
Thanks,
George Tsoukas

 

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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=592371607-20112000><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have Windows 2000 
and am trying to run CDJ. I get told to install the latest NT service pack. How 
can I get CDJ to work with Win2K?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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From TWHumphrey@fuse.net Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:14:08 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:14:08 -0500
From: Thomas W. Humphrey TWHumphrey@fuse.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Ramsey FM-10A and FM-25

The FM-10A and FM-25 are both available as kits, unless you find one on eBay
for sale that is assembled, which happens from time to time.  They are an
afternoon's work to assemble, tops.  Just one board each.

I bought mine from
Durham Radio Sales & Service Inc.
1380 Hopkins St, Unit 10
Whitby, ON  L1N 2C3

Phone: (905) 665-5466
Fax: (905) 665-5460
Toll Free  1-888-426-1688 (use only to place an order)

Store Hours:(Eastern Standard Time)
Monday to Friday 10:00 a.m  to  6:00 p.m
Saturday 10:00 am   to  3:00 p.m

internet: http://www.durhamradio.com
e-mail: info@durhamradio.com

Check with  bob@pmiv.com also, he may have some assembled kits for sale.

The FM-10A and FM-25 both run off batteries; so you will need to buy a
well-regulated supply, e.g., from Jameco at http://www.jameco.com

BTW, I use my MIT degree as a patent lawyer.  But I do still own a soldering
iron! :)

Thomas W. Humphrey
8 Little Creek Lane
Glendale, OH 45246
(513) 772-6441 (voice)
(513) 772-0052 (fax)





From gking@ontariodie.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:34:27 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:34:27 -0500
From: Gregg King gking@ontariodie.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Favourite songs

Hi all,

I use CDJ and PartyGUI.  With many CD's to inventory, it all works great. 
Does anyone have a way to "mark" particular songs on a CD as "favourites"
within CDJ?  Is it possible for this to show through onto PartyGUI? 
Ideally you could use different numbers or letters to mark the songs based
on whose favourite in the family it was, or the type of song etc. This
sure would aid in the creation of playlists - also, it would be ideal to
be able to play or randomly play the favourites.

Any help greatly appreciated.

Gregg King
Waterloo Canada





From guineau@earthlink.net Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:38:20 -0800
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 08:38:20 -0800
From: W. John Guineau guineau@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Ramsey FM-10A and FM-25

Ouch! Is this for real?  (from the below referenced site's catalog)


SPECIAL #1
Bearcat 245XLT handheld trunking scanner covers most Motorola and EDACS
systems. (cell blocked) Reg. $479.00 Sale $449.00


Am I missing something or is this the same scanner just offered for $150 a
day or so ago here, and that I just payed $199 for brand new?

even with Canadian exchange rates factored in...

john

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Thomas W. Humphrey
> Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 4:14 AM
> To: David Morgenlender; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] Ramsey FM-10A and FM-25
>
>
> The FM-10A and FM-25 are both available as kits, unless you find
> one on eBay
> for sale that is assembled, which happens from time to time.  They are an
> afternoon's work to assemble, tops.  Just one board each.
>
> I bought mine from
> Durham Radio Sales & Service Inc.
> 1380 Hopkins St, Unit 10
> Whitby, ON  L1N 2C3
>
> Phone: (905) 665-5466
> Fax: (905) 665-5460
> Toll Free  1-888-426-1688 (use only to place an order)
>
> Store Hours:(Eastern Standard Time)
> Monday to Friday 10:00 a.m  to  6:00 p.m
> Saturday 10:00 am   to  3:00 p.m
>
> internet: http://www.durhamradio.com
> e-mail: info@durhamradio.com
>
> Check with  bob@pmiv.com also, he may have some assembled kits for sale.
>
> The FM-10A and FM-25 both run off batteries; so you will need to buy a
> well-regulated supply, e.g., from Jameco at http://www.jameco.com
>
> BTW, I use my MIT degree as a patent lawyer.  But I do still own
> a soldering
> iron! :)
>
> Thomas W. Humphrey
> 8 Little Creek Lane
> Glendale, OH 45246
> (513) 772-6441 (voice)
> (513) 772-0052 (fax)
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From shawn@sboyle.com 20 Nov 2000 09:04:37 -0800
Date: 20 Nov 2000 09:04:37 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Favourite songs

The best solution I can think of is to use keywords. I don't know what version of CDJ you're using but the last couple of releases have a _very_ nice keyword interface. You can define as many keywords as you want and assign those to any number of discs.

-Shawn


On Mon, 20 November 2000, "Gregg King" wrote:

> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I use CDJ and PartyGUI.  With many CD's to inventory, it all works great. 
> Does anyone have a way to "mark" particular songs on a CD as "favourites"
> within CDJ?  Is it possible for this to show through onto PartyGUI? 
> Ideally you could use different numbers or letters to mark the songs based
> on whose favourite in the family it was, or the type of song etc. This
> sure would aid in the creation of playlists - also, it would be ideal to
> be able to play or randomly play the favourites.
> 
> Any help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Gregg King
> Waterloo Canada
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist

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From koreys@soundart.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:06 -0600
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 11:18:06 -0600
From: Korey Sherwin koreys@soundart.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Favorite songs

on 11/20/00 10:34 AM, Gregg King at gking@ontariodie.com wrote:

> Does anyone have a way to "mark" particular songs on a CD as "favourites"
> within CDJ?  Is it possible for this to show through onto PartyGUI?
> Ideally you could use different numbers or letters to mark the songs based
> on whose favourite in the family it was, or the type of song etc. This
> sure would aid in the creation of playlists - also, it would be ideal to
> be able to play or randomly play the favourites.

That would be a great feature!

How about a command to save current track into a specific playlist?

I.e.: curtracksave:favorites.pla

Is this possible, Colby?

Thanks,
--
Korey Sherwin
Sound Art, Canada
http://soundart.com






From ron@tugender.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:23:38 -0800
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:23:38 -0800
From: Ron Tugender ron@tugender.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K

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George,

I’ve been running CDJ under Win2K for months.  I’ve not had any special
installation or runtime prompts to run CDJ.  In fact, I just installed Win2K
on a clean machine and CDJ installed and ran perfectly.

There is one possibility to explore.  I am running Win2K with Service Pack
1.  At this point I cannot dismiss the possibility that CDJ might be
sensitive to something that comes with SP1.  I suggest doing the SP1 upgrade
(free over the Web) and trying again.

Good luck,
Ron

================================================
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408-378-0777
ron@tugender.com

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Tsoukas,George
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:15 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K

Hi,

I have Windows 2000 and am trying to run CDJ. I get told to install the
latest NT service pack. How can I get CDJ to work with Win2K?

Please reply to my email address if possible.

Thanks,
George Tsoukas


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From ioliver.lists@crossprod.co.uk Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:37:49 GMT
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:37:49 GMT
From: Ian Oliver ioliver.lists@crossprod.co.uk
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing on TINI

> The TINI and the LP3 (see http://lp3music.com) could be a solution.  Any
> thoughts?

I feel that close-coupling a Tini to fifo/MP3 decode/DAC and then letting 
is pull content off FTP/HTTP is maybe a better solution.  FTP source could 
be either PC or a stand-alone box.  I'm sure interfacing a Tini to a HD to 
make another Tini the FTP source wouldn't be hard. Anyone connected a Tini 
to an IDE HD? Writing a FAT32 filing system wouldn't be too hard.

[later]

Ah, I think maybe I got the wrong end of the stick.  Are you suggesting 
interfacing the LP3 to a Tini to provide the MP3 decode? If so then not a 
bad idea at all. Driving a PC printer port requires only 9 output and one 
input.  Should hook to the bus very easily.

Regards

Ian Oliver
(OS1.01, New OneWire API, modified OneWireContainer12)







From jlinhart@kscable.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:36:22 -0600
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 19:36:22 -0600
From: Jason Linhart jlinhart@kscable.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

>  The most useful aspect of Slinkee is the IR control part. Being able to
> burn 9 or more  handheld remotes is a major bonus. I don't see much
> discussion of the home automation uses of this cool product. What's up
with
> that ?

I would assume it's because using it with a home automation system is a
'roll you own' kind of thing.  I bought a slink-e for the sole purpose of
using it as a computer controlled IR router.

It's a wonderful piece of hardware, the software on the home automation side
on the other hand doesn't really exist unless you write it yourself.

.jason








From bboyes@systronix.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:25:11 -0700
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 21:25:11 -0700
From: Bruce Boyes Systronix bboyes@systronix.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing onTINI

> > The TINI and the LP3 (see http://lp3music.com) could be a solution.  Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Regards,
> >   Paul Wilkinson

I was intrigued and went to the lp3 web site to order, and found this message:
Shipping has been temporarily suspended due to insufficient supply of lp3's SRAM.
We're not sure when we'll be able to get the next shipment of  SRAM. We'll post
any updates here.

What does lp3 use internally? It would be (probably) better to find good MP3
hardware and add it to TINI as directly as possible...

- Bruce Boyes

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From steve@greenend.org.uk Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:02:26 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:02:26 +0000 (GMT)
From: Stephen Early steve@greenend.org.uk
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing on TINI

On Monday, 20 Nov 2000, Paul Wilkinson wrote:

> The topic that has come up on both lists is basically:
> 
> While there are plenty of "put a HD full of MP3's in this box" type MP3
> solutions, there doesn't seem to be a solution based around "put a cheap
> "receiver" on the network and stream from my computer".
> 
> The TINI and the LP3 (see http://lp3music.com) could be a solution.  Any
> thoughts?

I expect that the TINI and LP3 could be made to work together quite
easily. The LP3 has a 128Kb FIFO, which is good. This is not
necessarily the cheapest solution - after all, the LP3 costs
$100. Have a look at http://www.greenend.org.uk/mp3/ for a possibly
cheaper solution, which has the disadvantage of not being finished
yet.

Steve Early





From Rocky@Biospherical.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:37:30 -0800
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 09:37:30 -0800
From: Rocky Booth Rocky@Biospherical.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K

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Hi:
I have been running under Win2k since the beta without problems, so I do not
think it is related to SP1.
Good luck
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Tugender [mailto:ron@tugender.com]
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 9:24 AM
To: Tsoukas,George
Cc: Slinke-List
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K


George,
 
I've been running CDJ under Win2K for months.  I've not had any special
installation or runtime prompts to run CDJ.  In fact, I just installed Win2K
on a clean machine and CDJ installed and ran perfectly.  
 
There is one possibility to explore.  I am running Win2K with Service Pack
1.  At this point I cannot dismiss the possibility that CDJ might be
sensitive to something that comes with SP1.  I suggest doing the SP1 upgrade
(free over the Web) and trying again.  
 
Good luck,
Ron
 
================================================
Ron Tugender
408-378-0777
ron@tugender.com
 
-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Tsoukas,George
Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2000 11:15 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K
 
Hi,
 
I have Windows 2000 and am trying to run CDJ. I get told to install the
latest NT service pack. How can I get CDJ to work with Win2K?
 
Please reply to my email address if possible.
 
Thanks,
George Tsoukas
 

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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D248093517-20112000>I have=20
been running under Win2k since the beta without problems, so I do not =
think it=20
is related to SP1.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D248093517-20112000>Good=20
luck</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV align=3Dleft class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ron Tugender=20
  [mailto:ron@tugender.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, November 20, 2000 =
9:24=20
  AM<BR><B>To:</B> Tsoukas,George<BR><B>Cc:</B> =
Slinke-List<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  RE: [slinkelist] CDJ and Win2K<BR><BR></DIV></FONT>
  <DIV class=3DSection1>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">George,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt"><![if =
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">I&#8217;ve=20
  been running CDJ under Win2K for months.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN>I&#8217;ve not had any special installation or runtime prompts =
to run=20
  CDJ.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>In fact, I just =
installed=20
  Win2K on a clean machine and CDJ installed and ran perfectly.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; =
</SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dnavy =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>=

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face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
12.0pt">There=20
  is one possibility to explore.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I=20
  am running Win2K with Service Pack 1.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN>At this point I cannot dismiss the possibility that CDJ might =
be=20
  sensitive to something that comes with SP1.<SPAN=20
  style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>I suggest doing the SP1 =
upgrade (free=20
  over the Web) and trying again.<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: =
yes">&nbsp;=20
  </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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  size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  luck,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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12.0pt">Ron<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></P>
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style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</span>AUTOTEXTLIST \s &quot;E-mail=20
Signature&quot; <span =
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  color=3Dnavy><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoAutoSig><FONT color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman" =
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  style=3D"COLOR: navy; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">Ron =
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windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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  color=3Dnavy><SPAN=20
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windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: #3366ff; FONT-SIZE: =
12pt">ron@tugender.com</SPAN></FONT></U><FONT=20
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<SPAN=20
  class=3DEmailStyle15><FONT color=3Dnavy face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-bidi-font-size: =
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">-----Original=20
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> =

  slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com =
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]<B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of =
</SPAN></B>Tsoukas,George<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sunday, November 19, =
2000 11:15=20
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>=20
  slinkelist@nirvis.com<BR><B><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [slinkelist] CDJ and=20
  Win2K</SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=3D"Times =
New Roman"=20
  size=3D3><SPAN style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><![if =
!supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Hi,</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =

  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">I have=20
  Windows 2000 and am trying to run CDJ. I get told to install the =
latest NT=20
  service pack. How can I get CDJ to work with =
Win2K?</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =

  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
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  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Please=20
  reply to my email address if possible.</SPAN></FONT><FONT =
color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =

  face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT color=3Dblack =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: =
10pt">Thanks,</SPAN></FONT><FONT=20
  color=3Dblack><SPAN=20
  style=3D"COLOR: black; mso-color-alt: =
windowtext"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal style=3D"MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><B><I><FONT =
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  style=3D"COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt; =
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  Tsoukas</SPAN></FONT></I></B><FONT color=3Dblack face=3DArial =
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From steve@greenend.org.uk Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:07:04 +0000 (GMT)
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:07:04 +0000 (GMT)
From: Stephen Early steve@greenend.org.uk
Subject: [slinkelist] Re: Digital Audio server & [TINI] MP3 Playing onTINI

On Monday, 20 Nov 2000, Paul Wilkinson wrote:

> After I posted I also saw the message about the LP3 not being
> available. Doh!  ST has some chips that look pretty good.  I think
> the STA013 has already been mentioned in this thread and is around
> US$30.  http://us.st.com/stonline/prodpres/dedicate/mp3/mp3.htm

PJRC (http://www.pjrc.com/) is selling them for US$20 in very small
quantities.

> Anyone with hardware prototyping experience care to design a board?

http://www.greenend.org.uk/mp3/

(Sorry to keep repeating this URL - I'll give it a rest now...)

The netlist for the PCB is nearly complete. I need to check the
physical dimensions of some of the components, then I can start laying
it out.

Steve Early





From saleh@carnera.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
From: Saleh W. Igal saleh@carnera.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!

Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
safe home for my collection.

My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.


-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
to get another one.


-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of dan herrmann
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!


With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
drive storage is the way to go.

Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)

When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.



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From ksherwin@home.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:51:35 -0600
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:51:35 -0600
From: Korey Sherwin ksherwin@home.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Favorite songs

on 11/20/00 10:34 AM, Gregg King at gking@ontariodie.com wrote:

> Does anyone have a way to "mark" particular songs on a CD as "favourites"
> within CDJ?  Is it possible for this to show through onto PartyGUI?
> Ideally you could use different numbers or letters to mark the songs based
> on whose favourite in the family it was, or the type of song etc. This
> sure would aid in the creation of playlists - also, it would be ideal to
> be able to play or randomly play the favourites.

That would be a great feature!

How about a command to save current track into a specific playlist?

I.e.: curtracksave:favorites.pla

Is this possible, Colby?

Thanks,
--
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Sound Art, Canada
http://soundart.com







From koreys@soundart.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:07 -0600
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:07 -0600
From: Korey Sherwin koreys@soundart.com
Subject: Re(2): [slinkelist] Favorite songs

on 11/20/00 10:58 AM, Gregg King at gking@ontariodie.com wrote:

> You are right, within CDJ that would be good.  I really like building
> playlists within PartyGUI myself.  That's why I wonder if it can show
> through to there

It would work with Party GUI, It would just be a IR command that CDJ maps,
and Party GUI needs CDJ to run, so problem solved..

You could have a different IR command mapped for each persons favorite
Playlist..


--
Korey Sherwin
Sound Art, Canada
http://soundart.com






From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:37:43 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:37:43 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
replaced two over the 3 years.

Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?

If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
can be cataloged for reference.

And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.

> From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> 
> Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
> cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
> space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> safe home for my collection.
> 
> My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> 
> I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
> produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
> very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
> to get another one.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of dan herrmann
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> 
> With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
> drive storage is the way to go.
> 
> Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> 
> When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> 
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From parkdog@ix.netcom.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:43:30 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 14:43:30 -0500
From: Marc Parker parkdog@ix.netcom.com
Subject: Re(2): [slinkelist] Favorite songs

Isn't there a facility to RATE cd tracks in the information window? You can
then search based on a particular rating.

As for playlist assignment, you could assign a specific keyword to each
persons favorite tracks. Then search for that keyword and drag all tracks to
a playlist and save.

Parker

> From: Korey Sherwin <koreys@soundart.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 12:19:07 -0600
> To: Gregg King <gking@ontariodie.com>, <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: Re: Re(2): [slinkelist] Favorite songs
> 
> on 11/20/00 10:58 AM, Gregg King at gking@ontariodie.com wrote:
> 
>> You are right, within CDJ that would be good.  I really like building
>> playlists within PartyGUI myself.  That's why I wonder if it can show
>> through to there
> 
> It would work with Party GUI, It would just be a IR command that CDJ maps,
> and Party GUI needs CDJ to run, so problem solved..
> 
> You could have a different IR command mapped for each persons favorite
> Playlist..
> 
> 
> --
> Korey Sherwin
> Sound Art, Canada
> http://soundart.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From JSchaaf@wyseadv.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:00:21 -0500
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 15:00:21 -0500
From: Schaaf John JSchaaf@wyseadv.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

Please explain the nibble factor.  I have never heard of this and will look
at my cd's.  Also, are there MTBF specs on the changers?  HD's should have
them listed somewhere for analysis.  2500 cd's, holy s**t!!  I also really
do have a hard time believing that you can hear the difference between a
320k encoded MP3 and the actual cd but I have never tested it on a "Good"
stereo.  Mine was under $1000, all Sony, older rcvr, etc...  Oh well.  MP3's
work fine for me.  Everyone just needs to analyze their own personal
situation and decide what is best for them.

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Parker [mailto:parkdog@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Monday, November 20, 2000 2:38 PM
To: Saleh W. Igal; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation


I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
replaced two over the 3 years.

Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?

If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
can be cataloged for reference.

And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.

> From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> 
> Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would
have
> cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more
floor
> space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> safe home for my collection.
> 
> My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> 
> I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one
that
> produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference
is
> very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I
intend
> to get another one.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of dan herrmann
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> 
> 
> With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and
hard
> drive storage is the way to go.
> 
> Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> 
> When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
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From shawn@sboyle.com 20 Nov 2000 12:25:43 -0800
Date: 20 Nov 2000 12:25:43 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

Well, if we've proven one thing on this list it's that we can add the Changer v. HD issue to the growing list of technological debates [Windows v. Mac, Optical v. Coaxial, Dolby Digital v. DTS...]. ;]

One of the reasons that the HD solution doesn't work for me is that I don't have a stable PC to dedicate to serving music. Each of my PC's is goes down an average of 3-4 time per month. That's including all of the reasons a PC may go down [install new hardware, reboot after software install, change network settings, PC hangs for whatever reason, etc.]. 2 changers in 3 years sounds pretty good to me. It's certainly a larger MTBF than any PC I've ever owned. 

If I were going to do the .wav or .mp3 thing I would do it with multiple HDs and set them up in a RAID5 array. That would take care of much of the reliability issue with HDs. Maybe I would do backups to an optical media [one of the DVD-RAM formats] 2-4 times a year.

This whole issue is just like everything else -- both solutions are equally "good," the solution you use is going to depend on which features are more important to you. Because of the way that I use my computers, my changers are better able to deliver music when I want it -- which for me is always right now.

-Shawn

On Mon, 20 November 2000, Marc Parker wrote:

> 
> I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
> hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
> important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
> it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
> the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
> replaced two over the 3 years.
> 
> Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
> less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
> create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
> have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?
> 
> If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
> possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
> can be cataloged for reference.
> 
> And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
> away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
> become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
> nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.
> 
> > From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> > To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> > 
> > Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> > system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> > initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> > more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> > collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
> > cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
> > space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> > safe home for my collection.
> > 
> > My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> > in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> > earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > 
> > 
> > I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> > with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
> > produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
> > very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> > interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
> > to get another one.
> > 
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of dan herrmann
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > 
> > 
> > With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
> > drive storage is the way to go.
> > 
> > Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> > pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> > 
> > When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> 
> 
> 
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From Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:48:13 -0800
Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 16:48:13 -0800
From: Tom Hammond-Doel Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Digital Audio Client

And to think this all started with a simple little question about Digital Audio
Clients!

Ultimately: HD storage will be the norm - whether local or internetworked.  Homes
will have RAID's, making backups trivial (my field is Fibre Channel and Storage
Area Networking).  And a chicken in every pot.

The TINI is just the kind of thing for which I was looking.  Thanks for the info.
The http://www.greenend.org.uk/mp3/ link was great!  He is adding more than I
want, but the direction is very promising.  Slap a TINI and a FIFO's MP3 and I'm
off to the races - except for playing with MP3 vs CD quality to see if there is a
difference.

There is a new chip out that promises to take a digital stream and directly drive
a speaker.  I don't have the link handy, but then CD's could be directly stored in
their native format and simply streamed.  Perhaps that will settle the
connoisseurs concerns.

Caio.





From brian@posthuman.com Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:39:09 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 00:39:09 -0500
From: Brian Atkins brian@posthuman.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

You don't need a PC. Go read about Network Attached Storage. Even Maxtor
is selling these now- it is a box separate from your computer, filled with
hard drives setup to automatically failover if one dies (RAID). In the back
of the box is a network port, you plug it into your LAN and access it from
all your computers as a shared drive. This is where storage is going, and
with companies like Maxtor driving it, it will get very cheap very fast.

shawn@sboyle.com wrote:
> 
> Well, if we've proven one thing on this list it's that we can add the Changer v. HD issue to the growing list of technological debates [Windows v. Mac, Optical v. Coaxial, Dolby Digital v. DTS...]. ;]
> 
> One of the reasons that the HD solution doesn't work for me is that I don't have a stable PC to dedicate to serving music. Each of my PC's is goes down an average of 3-4 time per month. That's including all of the reasons a PC may go down [install new hardware, reboot after software install, change network settings, PC hangs for whatever reason, etc.]. 2 changers in 3 years sounds pretty good to me. It's certainly a larger MTBF than any PC I've ever owned.
> 
> If I were going to do the .wav or .mp3 thing I would do it with multiple HDs and set them up in a RAID5 array. That would take care of much of the reliability issue with HDs. Maybe I would do backups to an optical media [one of the DVD-RAM formats] 2-4 times a year.
> 
> This whole issue is just like everything else -- both solutions are equally "good," the solution you use is going to depend on which features are more important to you. Because of the way that I use my computers, my changers are better able to deliver music when I want it -- which for me is always right now.
> 
> -Shawn
> 
> On Mon, 20 November 2000, Marc Parker wrote:
> 
> >
> > I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
> > hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
> > important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
> > it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
> > the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
> > replaced two over the 3 years.
> >
> > Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
> > less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
> > create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
> > have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?
> >
> > If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
> > possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
> > can be cataloged for reference.
> >
> > And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
> > away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
> > become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
> > nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.
> >
> > > From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> > > To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> > >
> > > Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> > > system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> > > initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> > > more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> > > collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
> > > cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
> > > space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> > > safe home for my collection.
> > >
> > > My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> > > in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> > > earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > >
> > >
> > > I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> > > with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
> > > produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
> > > very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> > > interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
> > > to get another one.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of dan herrmann
> > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > >
> > >
> > > With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
> > > drive storage is the way to go.
> > >
> > > Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> > > pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> > >
> > > When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> >
> >
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From shawn@sboyle.com 21 Nov 2000 04:40:06 -0800
Date: 21 Nov 2000 04:40:06 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

But you still need something with a sound card in it to process the MP3s.


On Mon, 20 November 2000, Brian Atkins wrote:

> 
> You don't need a PC. Go read about Network Attached Storage. Even Maxtor
> is selling these now- it is a box separate from your computer, filled with
> hard drives setup to automatically failover if one dies (RAID). In the back
> of the box is a network port, you plug it into your LAN and access it from
> all your computers as a shared drive. This is where storage is going, and
> with companies like Maxtor driving it, it will get very cheap very fast.
> 
> shawn@sboyle.com wrote:
> > 
> > Well, if we've proven one thing on this list it's that we can add the Changer v. HD issue to the growing list of technological debates [Windows v. Mac, Optical v. Coaxial, Dolby Digital v. DTS...]. ;]
> > 
> > One of the reasons that the HD solution doesn't work for me is that I don't have a stable PC to dedicate to serving music. Each of my PC's is goes down an average of 3-4 time per month. That's including all of the reasons a PC may go down [install new hardware, reboot after software install, change network settings, PC hangs for whatever reason, etc.]. 2 changers in 3 years sounds pretty good to me. It's certainly a larger MTBF than any PC I've ever owned.
> > 
> > If I were going to do the .wav or .mp3 thing I would do it with multiple HDs and set them up in a RAID5 array. That would take care of much of the reliability issue with HDs. Maybe I would do backups to an optical media [one of the DVD-RAM formats] 2-4 times a year.
> > 
> > This whole issue is just like everything else -- both solutions are equally "good," the solution you use is going to depend on which features are more important to you. Because of the way that I use my computers, my changers are better able to deliver music when I want it -- which for me is always right now.
> > 
> > -Shawn
> > 
> > On Mon, 20 November 2000, Marc Parker wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
> > > hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
> > > important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
> > > it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
> > > the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
> > > replaced two over the 3 years.
> > >
> > > Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
> > > less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
> > > create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
> > > have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?
> > >
> > > If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
> > > possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
> > > can be cataloged for reference.
> > >
> > > And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
> > > away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
> > > become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
> > > nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.
> > >
> > > > From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> > > > To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> > > >
> > > > Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> > > > system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> > > > initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> > > > more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> > > > collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
> > > > cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
> > > > space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> > > > safe home for my collection.
> > > >
> > > > My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> > > > in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> > > > earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> > > > with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
> > > > produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
> > > > very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> > > > interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
> > > > to get another one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of dan herrmann
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
> > > > drive storage is the way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> > > > pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> > > >
> > > > When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From dmorgen@alum.mit.edu Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:23:03 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 08:23:03 -0500
From: David Morgenlender dmorgen@alum.mit.edu
Subject: [slinkelist] Ramsey FM-10A and FM-25

On Mon, 20 Nov 2000 07:14:08 -0500, you wrote:

>The FM-10A and FM-25 are both available as kits, unless you find one on =
eBay
>for sale that is assembled, which happens from time to time.  They are =
an
>afternoon's work to assemble, tops.  Just one board each.
>
>I bought mine from
>Durham Radio Sales & Service Inc.
>1380 Hopkins St, Unit 10
>Whitby, ON  L1N 2C3
>
>Phone: (905) 665-5466
>Fax: (905) 665-5460
>Toll Free  1-888-426-1688 (use only to place an order)
>
>Store Hours:(Eastern Standard Time)
>Monday to Friday 10:00 a.m  to  6:00 p.m
>Saturday 10:00 am   to  3:00 p.m
>
>internet: http://www.durhamradio.com
>e-mail: info@durhamradio.com
>
>Check with  bob@pmiv.com also, he may have some assembled kits for sale.
>
>The FM-10A and FM-25 both run off batteries; so you will need to buy a
>well-regulated supply, e.g., from Jameco at http://www.jameco.com

The more I think about this, the more I like this approach, e.g. for =
music in
the bedroom!  Thanks for the pointers.

>BTW, I use my MIT degree as a patent lawyer. =20

I imagine you get to learn about a lot of different technologies.  Sounds=
 like
fun (at least that part of it <g>)!

>But I do still own a soldering
>iron! :)

Me too ... I'm in software, but occasionally have to create a special =
cable.
I've used it for a couple of other things over the years, but can't =
remember
what.  I haven't done any hardware debugging though in a lot of years!

Thanks again for your help!

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From PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:13:59 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 13:13:59 -0500
From: PaulMmn PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com
Subject: [slinkelist] MP3's, WAV's etc

I think I've heard one of these stations in action...  songs sound... 
-different.-  Worse.  As if they're running everything through one of 
those Stereo Expanders that gives everything a hole in the center, 
totally wrecking the stereo imaging.

Or maybe they're just using a Stereo Expander...

--Paul E Musselman
PaulMmn@ix.netcom.com




>    The most recent topic has been skirting around the idea of obsoleting CD
>JUKES and replacing them with HD storage. Several points: A majority of FM
>radio stations in North America currently use a LAN and WAN  type system of
>music storage, organization and delivery. That is, songs, spots, segues
>etc. are ripped into WAV. or MPEG Layer 2 files, stored on a big RAID array
>file server ( not necessarily local ) and pulled off, when required, to a
>work station or broadcast PC to be manipulated or to be broadcast.....




From teepe@gmx.net Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:44:28 +0100
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:44:28 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: [slinkelist] (no subject)

Hi here are the last data before a player stops !!

Thanks for help !
Gerd


dslr012:time[04010254] 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[000] 
cdslr012:time[04010255] 
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cdsls002:mode 
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cdsls022:mode 
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cdslr022:mode[02C0008602] 
cdslr012:time[04010259] 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
cdslr012:time[04010300] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[000] 
cdslr012:time[04010300] 
cdslr012:time[04010300] 
cdslr012:time[04010300] 
cdslr012:time[04010300] 
cdslr012:time[04010301] 
cdsls002:mode 
cdslr002:mode[02C0002505] 
cdslr012:time[04010302] 
cdsls012:mode 
cdslr012:time[04010303] 
cdslr012:mode[01C0002404] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[00] 
cdsls012:timecode_on 
cdsls012:timecode_on 
cdsls022:mode 
cdslr012:time[04010304] 
cdsls032:mode 
cdslr022:mode[02C0008602] 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
cdslr012:time[04010305] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[000] 
cdslr012:time[04010306] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[0] 
cdsls002:mode 
cdslr012:time[04010307] 
cdslr002:mode[02C0002505] 
cdslr012:time[04010308] 
cdslr012:pause 
cdslr012:goto_disc[04] 
cdslr012:unloading 
cdjr:playlist_pointer[3]
cdjr:using_player[cd3]
cdsls012:play 
cdsls012:play 
cdslr012:play 
cdslr012:play 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[00] 
cdsls012:pause_dt[2410] 
cdsls012:pause_dt[2410] 
cdslr012:pause 
cdsls022:play 
cdsls022:play 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[0] 
cdslr022:play 
cdslr022:time[02010000] 
cdsls022:play 
cdsls022:play 
cdslr012:now_at_disc[24] 
cdslr022:play 
cdslr022:play 
cdsls022:play 
cdsls022:play 
cdslr022:time[02010000] 
cdsls022:play 
cdsls022:play 
cdslr022:play 
cdsls032:mode 
cdslr022:time[02010000] 
cdslr022:play 
cdslr032:mode[02C0000906] 
cdslr022:time[02010000] 
cdslr022:time[02010000] 
cdslr022:time[02010001] 
cdslr022:time[02010002] 
cdjr:playlist_stop
cdsls002:stop 
cdsls002:stop 
cdslr002:stop 
cdslr002:stop 
cdsls012:stop 
cdsls012:stop 
cdslr012:stop 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[0] 
cdslr012:stop 
cdsls022:stop 
cdsls022:stop 
cdslr022:stop 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[00] 
cdslr022:stop 
cdsls032:stop 
cdsls032:stop 
cdslr032:stop 
cdslr032:stop 
cdsls002:mode 
cdslr002:mode[00C0002500] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[1001100] 
cdsls012:mode 
cdsls022:mode 
cdslr012:mode[0040002400] 
cdslr022:mode[00C0008600] 
cdsls032:mode 
cdslr012:displaying_disc[24] 
cdslr012:ready 
cdslr032:mode[00C0000900] 
cdsls012:mode 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[0] 
cdslr012:mode[00C0002400] 
cdsls002:mode 
cdslr002:mode[00C0002500] 
nomatch:ir0(sony)[01100000] 
cdsls022:mode 
cdslr022:mode[00C0008600] 
cdsls012:mode 
cdsls032:mode 
cdslr012:mode[00C0002400] 
cdslr032:mode[00C0000900] 
cdsls002:mode 
cdslr002:mode[00C0002500] 
cdsls012:mode 
cdsls022:mode 
cdslr012:mode[00C0002400] 
cdsls032:mode 
cdslr022:mode[00C0008600] 
cdslr032:mode[00C0000900] 


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From gdekok@argocapital.com Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:01:42 -0800
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 15:01:42 -0800
From: Gustave de Kok gdekok@argocapital.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Perfect remote control through a wireless LAN PocketPC

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linked to Slinke could control that Slinke.  Best is a new program for =
the PocketPC that would be similar to CDJ, but optimized for its smaller =
screen.  The wireless PocketPC could be a remote for all AV equipment =
and also run the CD library.

Another cool thing you can already do with with a wirelss PocketPC: =
watch streaming video with audio from the security camera at the door =
(or babyroom) on your wireless pocketpc. =20

Gustave

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From teepe@gmx.net Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:45:13 +0100
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 19:45:13 +0100
From: Gerd Teepe teepe@gmx.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Skipping Problem

Hi all !

I have with the last version of cdj the old skip problem !!
Can anyone help me ? It seems that the skip problem appears only on the
first player !
I have 4 x sony cdp-350 !

Please help !!!!!

Thanks in advance
Gerd Teepe





From Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:45:39 -0800
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 14:45:39 -0800
From: Tom Hammond-Doel Tom.Hammond-Doel@Vixel.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD Players vs HD observation

NAS+SAN: A marriage made in heaven.  See http://www.vixel.com/nas/NAS_html/solutions.pdf

Brian Atkins wrote:

> You don't need a PC. Go read about Network Attached Storage. Even Maxtor
> is selling these now- it is a box separate from your computer, filled with
> hard drives setup to automatically failover if one dies (RAID). In the back
> of the box is a network port, you plug it into your LAN and access it from
> all your computers as a shared drive. This is where storage is going, and
> with companies like Maxtor driving it, it will get very cheap very fast.
>
> shawn@sboyle.com wrote:
> >
> > Well, if we've proven one thing on this list it's that we can add the Changer v. HD issue to the growing list of technological debates [Windows v. Mac, Optical v. Coaxial, Dolby Digital v. DTS...]. ;]
> >
> > One of the reasons that the HD solution doesn't work for me is that I don't have a stable PC to dedicate to serving music. Each of my PC's is goes down an average of 3-4 time per month. That's including all of the reasons a PC may go down [install new hardware, reboot after software install, change network settings, PC hangs for whatever reason, etc.]. 2 changers in 3 years sounds pretty good to me. It's certainly a larger MTBF than any PC I've ever owned.
> >
> > If I were going to do the .wav or .mp3 thing I would do it with multiple HDs and set them up in a RAID5 array. That would take care of much of the reliability issue with HDs. Maybe I would do backups to an optical media [one of the DVD-RAM formats] 2-4 times a year.
> >
> > This whole issue is just like everything else -- both solutions are equally "good," the solution you use is going to depend on which features are more important to you. Because of the way that I use my computers, my changers are better able to deliver music when I want it -- which for me is always right now.
> >
> > -Shawn
> >
> > On Mon, 20 November 2000, Marc Parker wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I don't know how often your players are in use, but ours run AT LEAST 6-8
> > > hours a day. The oldest is about 3yrs. They WILL and DO wear out. More
> > > important, they BREAK. You are then forced to unload all (200-400) cds, take
> > > it in, wait, wait, wait and then RELOAD and if you don't put them back in
> > > the same order, re-lookup. I currently have 8 Sony changers and have
> > > replaced two over the 3 years.
> > >
> > > Not a complaint (cost of doing business), but IMO, the more mechanics, the
> > > less reliable. I know HD's are also mechanical and do fail, so that will
> > > create it's own problems. How do you back up a 100 gig drive? Should you
> > > have 4-5 20 gig drives (less use per drive)?
> > >
> > > If I ever have to store cd's (about 2500) I would use the least space
> > > possible and put them in a utility closet, not display. The little booklets
> > > can be cataloged for reference.
> > >
> > > And BTW, are you aware of the "nibble" factor. The changers do indeed nibble
> > > away at the cd edges. Granted it is small, but over time it does seem to
> > > become noticeable. I'm curious if after 5-10 years of play if the the
> > > nibbles will approach the play area. That's probably extreme.
> > >
> > > > From: "Saleh W. Igal" <saleh@carnera.com>
> > > > Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 10:34:04 -0600
> > > > To: <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3???  No way!
> > > >
> > > > Besides the quality difference, which I find pretty noticeable on my home
> > > > system even at 320K, there's the issue of CD storage.  Once you make the
> > > > initial investment in the Slink-e and DXS, the incremental cost of adding
> > > > more changers works out to about $1 per CD.  I have about 1000 discs in my
> > > > collection, and buying a decent-looking cabinet to store the CDs would have
> > > > cost about the same as what my changers cost, and taken up a bit more floor
> > > > space.  Besides the convenience factor, the changers provide a relatively
> > > > safe home for my collection.
> > > >
> > > > My MP3 player is great for taking to the gym, but there's a big difference
> > > > in my expectations for the output of a $75 MP3 player and $20 set of
> > > > earbuds, versus a $5000+ home audio system.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Bill Dickhaus
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:59 pm
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree. I have experimented with many different levels of MP3 encoding,
> > > > with different encoders, on different PC's, and I have yet to find one that
> > > > produces the same quality of sound I can get out of a CD. The difference is
> > > > very noticeable to me. Except for portability, MP3 is not something I am
> > > > interested in bothering with. When I fill up the CD changer I have I intend
> > > > to get another one.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of dan herrmann
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 20:46
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] MP3??? No way!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > With all due respect to fellow Slink-e believers, I don't think MP3 and hard
> > > > drive storage is the way to go.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, you can put an audio file on a hard drive, but most all codecs today
> > > > pale in comparison to a good CD (not to mention SACD)
> > > >
> > > > When you have high-end stuf like I do, you can easily tell the difference.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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From iancole@earthlink.net Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:29:52 -0500
Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 18:29:52 -0500
From: Ian Cole iancole@earthlink.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Perfect remote control through a wireless LAN PocketPC

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Take a look at www.technovelocity.com/hase  - I posted a screenshot of a =
new sample application on a PocketPC last night :>)

It controls CDJ / slink-e via a socket connection to HASE.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gustave de Kok=20
  To: slinkelist@nirvis.com=20
  Sent: Tuesday, November 21, 2000 6:01 PM
  Subject: [slinkelist] Perfect remote control through a wireless LAN =
PocketPC


  Well it would be perfect if there would be a way that a PocketPC like =
Compaq's iPAQ H3600 with a wireless LAN  (802.11b) connection to a PC =
linked to Slinke could control that Slinke.  Best is a new program for =
the PocketPC that would be similar to CDJ, but optimized for its smaller =
screen.  The wireless PocketPC could be a remote for all AV equipment =
and also run the CD library.

  Another cool thing you can already do with with a wirelss PocketPC: =
watch streaming video with audio from the security camera at the door =
(or babyroom) on your wireless pocketpc. =20

  Gustave

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remote=20
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would be a way=20
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Best=20
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From kzpw@yahoo.com Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:02:00 -0800
Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2000 13:02:00 -0800
From: Silly Girl kzpw@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] remote control problems

Hello all,

I have a couple of problems that I need help with :)

First of all, we bought a brand-new JVC television: an I'Art--AV-27F802
(pretty much the same TV as the Sony Wega).  We can't figure out all of the
codes for thier remote control.  The codes we need: The IR freuquency and
the pulse-width timings.  The JVC ir.cde in the JVC directory doesn't work.

Also, I'm hoping that somebody out there can remind me of the sequence for
programming the manufacturers' codes into the remote control for the Sony
STR-DE545 reciever (the remote is a RM-PP404).  I accidentally returned the
owner's manual when I had to exchange the unit--doh!

TIA!

Kara


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From cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:03:47 -0800
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 10:03:47 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

I have put a new version of CDJ on the site.

Colby

11/21/00

 Added code the get players out of troublesome block / group mode at startup
 Fixed problem with album images not being saved
 Fix playlist_getpointer automation command
 Improve database size / speed when lyric / note fields are blank
 Highlighted text uses white foreground for better readability in list views
 Fixed bugs in timer device





From anthony.t.migliore@boeing.com Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:27:17 -0800
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 12:27:17 -0800
From: Anthony Migliore anthony.t.migliore@boeing.com
Subject: [slinkelist] cable for digital distribution

I have a Monster cable 16 guage (4 wire) speaker wire running about 70+
feet (in-wall) between two rooms of my house.  Currently this is
connected to speaker B output on my amp in room A and to a pair of
speakers in room B.  If I (disconnect the current hardware) and put RCA
connectors on this wire, could I use it to route the coaxial output from
a DSX from room A to room B (assuming there is an amp in room B to
recieve the signals)?  Are there cable length or shielding issues for
routing digital audio signals that I need to address?

-- Mig




From simon@themasons.net Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:26:44 -0500
Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:26:44 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

I can never get the list to sort by artist in the play list window.  I right
click and select one of the options but it never works.  I am running the
second to last version.  Am I doing something wrong?

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Colby Boles
Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 PM
To: Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version


I have put a new version of CDJ on the site.

Colby

11/21/00

 Added code the get players out of troublesome block / group mode at startup
 Fixed problem with album images not being saved
 Fix playlist_getpointer automation command
 Improve database size / speed when lyric / note fields are blank
 Highlighted text uses white foreground for better readability in list views
 Fixed bugs in timer device



_______________________________________________
slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
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From taz@webaccess.net Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:08:33 -0800
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 12:08:33 -0800
From: TAZ taz@webaccess.net
Subject: [slinkelist] CD ID's

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I know that this question has been discussed before. I tried to find answers
in the BBS archives, but was unsuccessful. ---- What is the most recent
solution or remedy for CD's that are identified wrong by CDDB?  My Shania
Twain "Come on Over" comes back as Fleatwood Mac "The Dance" from CDDB. Do I
correct the Access database manually and go on with life or is there a
better method?

Tom Zuvlis
Fort Collins, CO


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From peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
From: Peter Elliot peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Hi,

I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'

Regards,

Peter Elliot



DVP-CX860	msrp $699.00=20
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml

300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player=20
Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control=20
10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC=20
Video Equalizer=20
SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse=20
SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse=20
96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding=20
Dolby Digital Output=20
DTS Digital Output=20
Digital Cinema Sound Modes=20
Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)=20
300 + 1 Disc Explorer System=20
Custom Parental Controls=20
MegaStorage CD Changer Control=20
Picture Navigation=20
Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys=20
Component Video Output=20

DVP-CX870D	msrp $899.00=20
http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml

As 860 other than:

Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in=20
Copper Plated Chassis=20
Anti Vibration top plate=20
Holographic Slot Labels=20




From ruehara@alohaairlines.com Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:22:28 -1000
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 08:22:28 -1000
From: Robert Uehara ruehara@alohaairlines.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJReal

Anyone got the CDJReal to work?




From mcohen@msystems.com Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:26:44 -0500
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2000 18:26:44 -0500
From: Mitchell S. Cohen mcohen@msystems.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.

I did find this press release:

  http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html

which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most interesting - they
moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the player play the
second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading the disc in
backwards.  Clever.

Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They even
have a photo of the back of the 870D:

<http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=28012&i=158
DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>

This is good, I do believe...

---
      Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
        mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
  Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/

> From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Peter Elliot
> 
> 
> 
> DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> 
> 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> Video Equalizer 
> SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> Dolby Digital Output
> DTS Digital Output
> Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> Custom Parental Controls
> MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> Picture Navigation
> Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> Component Video Output
> 
> DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> 
> As 860 other than:
> 
> Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> Copper Plated Chassis
> Anti Vibration top plate
> Holographic Slot Labels
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> 





From TWHumphrey@fuse.net Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:46:11 -0500
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 10:46:11 -0500
From: Thomas W. Humphrey TWHumphrey@fuse.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Change request

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Colby:

Kudos again on CDJ.  The best of its kind by far.

One bit of feedback.  I think it is still too easy to confuse the input =
of music information related to an album, with the input of information =
related to a track.  My suggested solution would be to include in the =
music information window, some indication fo whether the information =
being displayed / edited is track or album info.  For example, the color =
would change, or an icon would appear or change (e.g., your disc and =
track icons).  Then  the user could quickly determine what is being =
edited and viewed at any time.

Thanks...

Thomas W. Humphrey
8 Little Creek Lane
Glendale, OH 45246

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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its kind by=20
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being=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks...</FONT></DIV>
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From bumblebee@webcntrl.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:32:44 -0600
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:32:44 -0600
From: Dennis Thorne bumblebee@webcntrl.com
Subject: [slinkelist] HI

what is the best cable to use for the IR transceiver and transmitter
modules?
i need to make some fairly long runs. (60 feet)  it must be data cable with
phone
plug adapters, correct? my local radio shack sales rep only had phone cord.
where do you get data cable?

thanks for any help.

dt

DENNIS THORNE
bumblebee@webcntrl.com

"To see a world in a grain of sand,
And a heaven in a wild flower;
To hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour."
             Wm.  Blake






From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:39:11 -0800
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:39:11 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

None of these units are going to work. They don't allow Control-A1 II
control over the changer. Control-S is basically wired IR and so you can
really do anything more than you can with a remote. Without being able to
talk back to the Slink-e, you won't be able ID the discs or any of that good
stuff.

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
>
>
> Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
>
> I did find this press release:
>
>   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
>
> which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> interesting - they
> moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> player play the
> second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading
> the disc in
> backwards.  Clever.
>
> Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They even
> have a photo of the back of the 870D:
>
> <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=2
> 8012&i=158
> DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
>
> This is good, I do believe...
>
> ---
>       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
>         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
>   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
>
> > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Elliot
> >
> >
> >
> > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> >
> > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > Video Equalizer
> > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > Dolby Digital Output
> > DTS Digital Output
> > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > Custom Parental Controls
> > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > Picture Navigation
> > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > Component Video Output
> >
> > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> >
> > As 860 other than:
> >
> > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > Copper Plated Chassis
> > Anti Vibration top plate
> > Holographic Slot Labels
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
>





From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:39:46 -0800
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:39:46 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Change request

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Hi Thomas-

I have already addressed this. Are you using the the Helper Banner option in
View | Options | Appearance? If you do it will always describe exactly what
you are editing inthe disc info window.

Colby

 -----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Thomas W. Humphrey
Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2000 7:46 AM
To: help@nirvis.com; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] Change request


  Colby:

  Kudos again on CDJ.  The best of its kind by far.

  One bit of feedback.  I think it is still too easy to confuse the input of
music information related to an album, with the input of information related
to a track.  My suggested solution would be to include in the music
information window, some indication fo whether the information being
displayed / edited is track or album info.  For example, the color would
change, or an icon would appear or change (e.g., your disc and track icons).
Then  the user could quickly determine what is being edited and viewed at
any time.

  Thanks...

  Thomas W. Humphrey
  8 Little Creek Lane
  Glendale, OH 45246

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From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:41:27 -0800
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:41:27 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

The playlist is un-sortable. I just haven't bothered to remove the pop-up
menu which implies that it is.

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:27 PM
> To: 'Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com'
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version
>
>
> I can never get the list to sort by artist in the play list
> window.  I right
> click and select one of the options but it never works.  I am running the
> second to last version.  Am I doing something wrong?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Colby Boles
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 PM
> To: Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com
> Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version
>
>
> I have put a new version of CDJ on the site.
>
> Colby
>
> 11/21/00
>
>  Added code the get players out of troublesome block / group mode
> at startup
>  Fixed problem with album images not being saved
>  Fix playlist_getpointer automation command
>  Improve database size / speed when lyric / note fields are blank
>  Highlighted text uses white foreground for better readability in
> list views
>  Fixed bugs in timer device
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
>





From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:46:00 -0800
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:46:00 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD ID's

First, try enabling View | Options | CDDB / CD-Text | Prompt on inexact
matches and looking up the disc again by selecting it and going to Library |
Search for Discs | Lookup Selected. This might give you multiple discs to
choose from, including the one you want.

If that doesn't work, just double click on the title / artist / track name
fields and type in the correct text yourself.

Colby

>  -----Original Message-----
> From: 	slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, November 23, 2000 12:09 PM
> To:	slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject:	[slinkelist] CD ID's
>
> I know that this question has been discussed before. I tried to find
answers in the BBS archives, but was unsuccessful. ---- What is the most
recent solution or remedy for CD's that are identified wrong by CDDB?  My
Shania Twain "Come on Over" comes back as Fleatwood Mac "The Dance" from
CDDB. Do I correct the Access database manually and go on with life or is
there a better method?
>
> Tom Zuvlis
> Fort Collins, CO
>





From cboles@nirvis.com Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:50:22 -0800
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2000 22:50:22 -0800
From: Colby Boles cboles@nirvis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] cable for digital distribution

Hi Mig-

This would not work. You need to run a 75ohm coaxial cable (RG-6 is a good
choice) between these two points. This type of cable is inexpensive and you
can get F to RCA adapters at Radio Shack to terminate the ends easily. Total
cost would be about $25-$30 for a 100ft run (not counting the time to pull
it through the walls ;?) )

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Anthony Migliore
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:27 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] cable for digital distribution
>
>
> I have a Monster cable 16 guage (4 wire) speaker wire running about 70+
> feet (in-wall) between two rooms of my house.  Currently this is
> connected to speaker B output on my amp in room A and to a pair of
> speakers in room B.  If I (disconnect the current hardware) and put RCA
> connectors on this wire, could I use it to route the coaxial output from
> a DSX from room A to room B (assuming there is an amp in room B to
> recieve the signals)?  Are there cable length or shielding issues for
> routing digital audio signals that I need to address?
>
> -- Mig
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
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From shawn@sboyle.com 27 Nov 2000 04:38:38 -0800
Date: 27 Nov 2000 04:38:38 -0800
From: shawn@sboyle.com shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

I think we're going to have to wait on this until Sony realizes that some people might plan on having more than 300 or so DVDs. Maybe then they'll implement a setup more like their CD changers. Although not selling changers with this capability now seems like a mistake to me.


On Sun, 26 November 2000, "Colby Boles" wrote:

> 
> None of these units are going to work. They don't allow Control-A1 II
> control over the changer. Control-S is basically wired IR and so you can
> really do anything more than you can with a remote. Without being able to
> talk back to the Slink-e, you won't be able ID the discs or any of that good
> stuff.
> 
> Colby
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> > To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> >
> > Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
> >
> > I did find this press release:
> >
> >   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
> >
> > which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> > interesting - they
> > moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> > player play the
> > second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading
> > the disc in
> > backwards.  Clever.
> >
> > Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They even
> > have a photo of the back of the 870D:
> >
> > <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=2
> > 8012&i=158
> > DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
> >
> > This is good, I do believe...
> >
> > ---
> >       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
> >         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
> >   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
> >
> > > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Peter Elliot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> > >
> > > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > > Video Equalizer
> > > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > > Dolby Digital Output
> > > DTS Digital Output
> > > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > > Custom Parental Controls
> > > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > > Picture Navigation
> > > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > > Component Video Output
> > >
> > > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> > >
> > > As 860 other than:
> > >
> > > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > > Copper Plated Chassis
> > > Anti Vibration top plate
> > > Holographic Slot Labels
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From simon@themasons.net Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:03:04 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 08:03:04 -0500
From: Simon Mason simon@themasons.net
Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version

Can we add that to the wish list?  It is helpful when editing large
playlists to be able to sort it.

-----Original Message-----
From: Colby Boles [mailto:cboles@nirvis.com]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 1:41 AM
To: simon@themasons.net; Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version


The playlist is un-sortable. I just haven't bothered to remove the pop-up
menu which implies that it is.

Colby

> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 4:27 PM
> To: 'Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com'
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version
>
>
> I can never get the list to sort by artist in the play list
> window.  I right
> click and select one of the options but it never works.  I am running the
> second to last version.  Am I doing something wrong?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Colby Boles
> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 1:04 PM
> To: Slinkelist@Nirvis. Com
> Subject: [slinkelist] New CDJ Version
>
>
> I have put a new version of CDJ on the site.
>
> Colby
>
> 11/21/00
>
>  Added code the get players out of troublesome block / group mode
> at startup
>  Fixed problem with album images not being saved
>  Fix playlist_getpointer automation command
>  Improve database size / speed when lyric / note fields are blank
>  Highlighted text uses white foreground for better readability in
> list views
>  Fixed bugs in timer device
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
>
>





From mskubisz@mediaone.net Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:10:19 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:10:19 -0500
From: Mike & Kelly Skubisz mskubisz@mediaone.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Device file for Sony STR-DB830

Does anyone know what device file will work with this model Receiver/amp?




From mskubisz@mediaone.net Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:14:27 -0500
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 14:14:27 -0500
From: Mike & Kelly Skubisz mskubisz@mediaone.net
Subject: [slinkelist] Feature request

Colby,

Have you thought about having CDJ handle MP3's in such a way so that the
server side slink-x can play the MP3 while the CDJ app controls the player.
This would be great as the Slink-x machine is already connected to my
audio/video equipment. This would  allow any PC on the net to control MP3
playlists in a manner consistent with the "CD" playlist.

Mike





From jfost@pacbell.net Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:10:52 -0800
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 19:10:52 -0800
From: Justin Foster jfost@pacbell.net
Subject: [slinkelist] HI

Dennis:

After battling with three different RS Stores (most don't even have any idea
what you mean by data cable) I just bought the phone cord, a crimping tool ($9
to $29) and an 89 cent bag of connectors.  Much easier just to rewire the phone
cable yourself.  Took all of 5 minutes and I had never done it before.

Cheers

Justin

Dennis Thorne wrote:

> what is the best cable to use for the IR transceiver and transmitter
> modules?
> i need to make some fairly long runs. (60 feet)  it must be data cable with
> phone
> plug adapters, correct? my local radio shack sales rep only had phone cord.
> where do you get data cable?
>
> thanks for any help.
>
> dt
>
> DENNIS THORNE
> bumblebee@webcntrl.com
>
> "To see a world in a grain of sand,
> And a heaven in a wild flower;
> To hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
> And eternity in an hour."
>              Wm.  Blake
>
> _______________________________________________
> slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist





From gregy1@yahoo.com Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:28:43 -0800
Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2000 20:28:43 -0800
From: Greg Young gregy1@yahoo.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

I hate to admit that I work for Sony, given this discussion, but fortunately
I can be excused from speaking for the company in this forum, since I'm in
digital cameras.  I just started a couple of months ago.  At any rate,
doesn't the "megachanger" port (separate from the Control-S port) hold some
promise that these new players may support Control-A1 II?  They're
advertised as supporting and controlling separate CD changers in exactly the
same way as the current CD-only changers.

At any rate, I'll try to find someone in the DVD group at Sony to answer
this question. I'll be at the HQ building in New Jersey where we're giving
sales presentations to the big resellers later this week so can probably
track down someone.  However, I have to ask that if I do find someone there
that can answer these questions, that we keep future questions to a minimum.
I don't want to become a pest to friends at Sony...

Thanks!

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of shawn@sboyle.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:39 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

I think we're going to have to wait on this until Sony realizes that some
people might plan on having more than 300 or so DVDs. Maybe then they'll
implement a setup more like their CD changers. Although not selling changers
with this capability now seems like a mistake to me.


On Sun, 26 November 2000, "Colby Boles" wrote:

>
> None of these units are going to work. They don't allow Control-A1 II
> control over the changer. Control-S is basically wired IR and so you can
> really do anything more than you can with a remote. Without being able to
> talk back to the Slink-e, you won't be able ID the discs or any of that
good
> stuff.
>
> Colby
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> > To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> >
> > Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
> >
> > I did find this press release:
> >
> >   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
> >
> > which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> > interesting - they
> > moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> > player play the
> > second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading
> > the disc in
> > backwards.  Clever.
> >
> > Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They
even
> > have a photo of the back of the 870D:
> >
> > <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=2
> > 8012&i=158
> > DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
> >
> > This is good, I do believe...
> >
> > ---
> >       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
> >         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
> >   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
> >
> > > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Peter Elliot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> > >
> > > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > > Video Equalizer
> > > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > > Dolby Digital Output
> > > DTS Digital Output
> > > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > > Custom Parental Controls
> > > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > > Picture Navigation
> > > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > > Component Video Output
> > >
> > > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> > >
> > > As 860 other than:
> > >
> > > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > > Copper Plated Chassis
> > > Anti Vibration top plate
> > > Holographic Slot Labels
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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From michael@laserle.fi Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:33:11 +0200
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 09:33:11 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist] Device file for Sony STR-DB830

I use (for db930) 2 device files 
1. Basic sony amp slinke-send "ampsls.cde" (input selection, vol +/-,
mute, etc) 
and 2. for surround fileds "surroundsls.cde" or "str925sls.cde" 

I can't remember exacly their names (I'm at work and I do not heve the
slinke with me) but I had no problem setting it up. Experiment with
.../nirvis/cdj/device files/sony/

If you need more help on subject I'll be happy to help.


-michael (A)

Mike & Kelly Skubisz wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what device file will work with this model Receiver/amp?
> 
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From shawn@sboyle.com Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:13:22 -0500
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 16:13:22 -0500
From: Shawn Boyle shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

The problem as I understand it with the Control-A1 II port on the back of
the DVD changer is that it's only there to send commands to a CD changer. It
doesn't report any information about what it's doing or the DVD that it is
currently playing. Nor will it accept command over the A1 II bus like the CD
changers do.

Like one of the other users who posted on the BBS I own all Sony components.
I'd buy one of the DVD changers tomorrow but I'm beginning to look at other
changers with RS-232...not perfect, but better than nothing.

-Shawn

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Greg Young
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 11:29 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...


I hate to admit that I work for Sony, given this discussion, but fortunately
I can be excused from speaking for the company in this forum, since I'm in
digital cameras.  I just started a couple of months ago.  At any rate,
doesn't the "megachanger" port (separate from the Control-S port) hold some
promise that these new players may support Control-A1 II?  They're
advertised as supporting and controlling separate CD changers in exactly the
same way as the current CD-only changers.

At any rate, I'll try to find someone in the DVD group at Sony to answer
this question. I'll be at the HQ building in New Jersey where we're giving
sales presentations to the big resellers later this week so can probably
track down someone.  However, I have to ask that if I do find someone there
that can answer these questions, that we keep future questions to a minimum.
I don't want to become a pest to friends at Sony...

Thanks!

Greg

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of shawn@sboyle.com
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 4:39 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

I think we're going to have to wait on this until Sony realizes that some
people might plan on having more than 300 or so DVDs. Maybe then they'll
implement a setup more like their CD changers. Although not selling changers
with this capability now seems like a mistake to me.


On Sun, 26 November 2000, "Colby Boles" wrote:

>
> None of these units are going to work. They don't allow Control-A1 II
> control over the changer. Control-S is basically wired IR and so you can
> really do anything more than you can with a remote. Without being able to
> talk back to the Slink-e, you won't be able ID the discs or any of that
good
> stuff.
>
> Colby
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> > To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> >
> > Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
> >
> > I did find this press release:
> >
> >   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
> >
> > which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> > interesting - they
> > moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> > player play the
> > second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading
> > the disc in
> > backwards.  Clever.
> >
> > Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They
even
> > have a photo of the back of the 870D:
> >
> > <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=2
> > 8012&i=158
> > DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
> >
> > This is good, I do believe...
> >
> > ---
> >       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
> >         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
> >   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
> >
> > > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Peter Elliot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> > >
> > > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > > Video Equalizer
> > > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > > Dolby Digital Output
> > > DTS Digital Output
> > > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > > Custom Parental Controls
> > > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > > Picture Navigation
> > > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > > Component Video Output
> > >
> > > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> > > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> > >
> > > As 860 other than:
> > >
> > > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > > Copper Plated Chassis
> > > Anti Vibration top plate
> > > Holographic Slot Labels
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
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From fred@dynacorp.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:49:19 +0100
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 00:49:19 +0100
From: Frederic Hardy fred@dynacorp.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Hi,

As I understand, the port on the back of the DVD changer is Input only,
and as you can see on the picture on Crutchfield, It's a Control S port.
As Colby say, It's mostly a wired remote input (copy of the IR).

For audio (CD changer) Sony user Control-A? and for video, Control S
(cf : http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/s-link/faq.html)

I not used to, but I think that I can find some excuse for Sony not using 
Control AII :

It's Easy with CD : 99% of CD are based on the same structure : N track of 
music !
0,9% have CDText and only 0,1 % have special structure, like CD Extra,...
( the % are not official, juste an approximation)

But with DVD, it's really more difficult. There's no Standard structure yet.
Which informations the players will send ?
A new standard must be created to describe the content of a disc.
With the internal menu of each disc, it will be really more difficult to 
make a "DVDDB" database...
and there's also 2 sided disc...

Anyway, you can use Slink-e and CDJ (with the Control S port) to send 
command to the DVD players

At 16:13 28/11/00 Tuesday -0500, Shawn Boyle wrote:
>The problem as I understand it with the Control-A1 II port on the back of
>the DVD changer is that it's only there to send commands to a CD changer. It
>doesn't report any information about what it's doing or the DVD that it is
>currently playing. Nor will it accept command over the A1 II bus like the CD
>changers do.
>
>Like one of the other users who posted on the BBS I own all Sony components.
>I'd buy one of the DVD changers tomorrow but I'm beginning to look at other
>changers with RS-232...not perfect, but better than nothing.
>
>-Shawn






From shawn@sboyle.com Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:20:09 -0500
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:20:09 -0500
From: Shawn Boyle shawn@sboyle.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

I think there are actually two ports on the back of the DVD player -- one
Control-S one Control-A1.

The real benefit of having a fully functional Control-A1 II port wouldn't be
so much DVD identification but rather commands and status. You'd be able to
issue a command to play a specific slot, or queue up a disc to a specific
time stamp. And the player would be able to report exactly what it's doing
("loading slot X" "playing disc" "Slot X is (not) occupied"...).

The more I think about it, the more I can't figure out why Sony wouldn't add
this feature. It's like those VisionTouch receivers.

-Shawn

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Frederic Hardy
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 6:49 PM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...


Hi,

As I understand, the port on the back of the DVD changer is Input only,
and as you can see on the picture on Crutchfield, It's a Control S port.
As Colby say, It's mostly a wired remote input (copy of the IR).

For audio (CD changer) Sony user Control-A? and for video, Control S
(cf : http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/s-link/faq.html)

I not used to, but I think that I can find some excuse for Sony not using
Control AII :

It's Easy with CD : 99% of CD are based on the same structure : N track of
music !
0,9% have CDText and only 0,1 % have special structure, like CD Extra,...
( the % are not official, juste an approximation)

But with DVD, it's really more difficult. There's no Standard structure yet.
Which informations the players will send ?
A new standard must be created to describe the content of a disc.
With the internal menu of each disc, it will be really more difficult to
make a "DVDDB" database...
and there's also 2 sided disc...

Anyway, you can use Slink-e and CDJ (with the Control S port) to send
command to the DVD players

At 16:13 28/11/00 Tuesday -0500, Shawn Boyle wrote:
>The problem as I understand it with the Control-A1 II port on the back of
>the DVD changer is that it's only there to send commands to a CD changer.
It
>doesn't report any information about what it's doing or the DVD that it is
>currently playing. Nor will it accept command over the A1 II bus like the
CD
>changers do.
>
>Like one of the other users who posted on the BBS I own all Sony
components.
>I'd buy one of the DVD changers tomorrow but I'm beginning to look at other
>changers with RS-232...not perfect, but better than nothing.
>
>-Shawn




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From michael@laserle.fi Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:08:34 +0200
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 13:08:34 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist] CDJ Feature Request

This is my "open letter" to Colby Boles, I just tought to CC to the list
also.
 
Colby, first I must say : 
Thank you for your wonderful job on CDJ.
 
I know I have bothered you A LOT in past asking this and that but what
you think about adding movement command to CDJ automation ? 
(not mouse movement / not "scrolling" but similar to "up/down_arrow" &
"TAB" keypress actions)

CDJ-Automation commands to step up/down in lists (Albums, Tracks,
Playlist) 

1. StepListUp = moves focus to the row above currently selected row
(listitem)  
2. SteplistDown = moves focus to the row below currently selected row
(listitem)  
3. NextList = jumps from one list to another : Albums  -> Tracks ->
Playlist and back to Albums
----------------------------------
In programming term : 
1-2:
Stepping command should be easy : 
The function stepping up/down in list just first determines which list
has focus and then increases/decreases index value of selected item.
If focus is not in any of these 3 lists (ALBUMS, TRACKS, PLAYLIST) then
no action.
3:
Moving focus from one list to another should be equally easy determine
what list has focus, and then move focus to next list in predetermined
(hard-coded) order Albums->Tracks->Playlist-><back to Albums>. If none
of those list have focus, then set focus to Albums.

You could add SetFocusToTracks, ...toAlbums, etc , but it would require
more buttons in IR remote to control CDJ. 
------------------------------------

With adding these 3 simple commands one could have almost conmplete
control over CDJ via IR remote.
(since add to playlist & playlist start / stop command already exist)

I LOVE !!! CDJ but this what I'm suggesting would allow users to make
KISS interface to CDJ for their quests. Like the sony VisionTouch, it's
amazing anybody can learn to use it in 5-10 seconds. With this the
"entry level" to use CDJ would be SOOOOOOOOOOOO much lower. 
With years of experience I can say 6 buttons is the limit for avarage
user to use the remote controller. after vol+/- it leaves 4 :
StepListUp, StepListDown, nextList, addtoplaylist.

Trying to use mouse cursor with IR remote is doomed idea, specially if
some of the GUEST users can't even use mouse, but "smart move" where
focus shifts to next command button in the direction pointed by user =
like VisionTouch is great for beginners  

Please, pretty please ........   

Please reply. 

-michael (A)
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From gtang@gtcons.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:14:19 -0800
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:14:19 -0800
From: George Tang gtang@gtcons.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Unfortunately, Control-S is not Control AI/II.  Control-S is only for
receiving commands and not bi-directional.  8-(

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...


Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.

I did find this press release:

  http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html

which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most interesting - they
moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the player play the
second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and loading the disc in
backwards.  Clever.

Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S port.  They even
have a photo of the back of the 870D:

<http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?pp=28012&i=158
DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>

This is good, I do believe...

---
      Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
        mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
  Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/

> From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
>
> Hi,
>
> I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter Elliot
>
>
>
> DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
>
> 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> Video Equalizer
> SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> Dolby Digital Output
> DTS Digital Output
> Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> Custom Parental Controls
> MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> Picture Navigation
> Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> Component Video Output
>
> DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
>
> As 860 other than:
>
> Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> Copper Plated Chassis
> Anti Vibration top plate
> Holographic Slot Labels
>
>
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From Kamamu_Smith-KSMITH2@email.mot.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:57 -0600
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:14:57 -0600
From: Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2 Kamamu_Smith-KSMITH2@email.mot.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question

I have a CDP-CX300 which holds 300 disks but CDJ lists it as only having
200. How do I fix this? Also, this changer has CD text. I can download the
memos to the player but not the titles is a fix or work around for this?  I
couldn't find this in the documentation...
Thanks,
Kamamu




From elliotpj@henrob.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:29:14 -0500
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:29:14 -0500
From: Peter Elliot elliotpj@henrob.com
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Hi,

The interesting socket is not the Control-S socket but the one labeled Mega
Control...

See
http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-a67LPFvlesu/prodpic.asp?pp=28012&i=158D
VX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL

I'm not hopeful, but maybe this could be a Control AI/II socket.

Regards

PJE


> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of George Tang
> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:14 AM
> To: Mitchell S. Cohen; Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
>
>
> Unfortunately, Control-S is not Control AI/II.  Control-S is only for
> receiving commands and not bi-directional.  8-(
>
> -G
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
>
>
> Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
>
> I did find this press release:
>
>   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
>
> which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> interesting - they
> moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> player play the
> second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and
> loading the disc in
> backwards.  Clever.
>
> Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S
> port.  They even
> have a photo of the back of the 870D:
>
> <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?
> pp=28012&i=158
> DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
>
> This is good, I do believe...
>
> ---
>       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
>         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
>   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
>
> > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Peter Elliot
> >
> >
> >
> > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> >
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> >
> > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > Video Equalizer
> > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > Dolby Digital Output
> > DTS Digital Output
> > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > Custom Parental Controls
> > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > Picture Navigation
> > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > Component Video Output
> >
> > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> >
> http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/> ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> >
> > As 860 other than:
> >
> > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > Copper Plated Chassis
> > Anti Vibration top plate
> > Holographic Slot Labels
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> >
>
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>
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From gtang@gtcons.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:54:19 -0800
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 08:54:19 -0800
From: George Tang gtang@gtcons.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question

In the setup menu, there is an item that sets the type of Control-AI/II the
changer supports.  Set it to Control-AII instead of AI.

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:15 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question


I have a CDP-CX300 which holds 300 disks but CDJ lists it as only having
200. How do I fix this? Also, this changer has CD text. I can download the
memos to the player but not the titles is a fix or work around for this?  I
couldn't find this in the documentation...
Thanks,
Kamamu


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From michael@laserle.fi Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:49:58 +0200
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 18:49:58 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question

Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2 wrote:
> 
> I have a CDP-CX300 which holds 300 disks but CDJ lists it as only having
> 200. How do I fix this? 

UPGRADE CDJ to current version.

< Also, this changer has CD text. I can download the
> memos to the player but not the titles is a fix or work around for this?  
????????
Yes, cdp-cx3x0 has CD TEXT.
No, you are NOT able to upload to Track names to cdp-cx3x0 SONY player
does not HAVE anyplace to store this info, they read it from currently
playing CD (CD-TEXT).
Yes, You are able to upload memos to player from CDJ, CDJ is #¤&%ing
smart, as CX can only store 13 characters of the title. so ...

CDJ send memo-field text to player, if memo-field is empty (and IT IS
UNLESS you have downloaded memo fields from the player / manually
entered text to them) then CDJ send the Album-Title to the players
disk-title. = f****g great, I have 3 times manually entered 200 disk
titles with the IR remote button 1=a,b,c 2=d,e,f = not fun at all. (that
was b4 slinke) In other words Send memo-text to players uses
Album-Tiltle of CDJ to create cx-disk-title UNLESS you have YOURSELF
entered text to memo to use instead of the "default" Album title.


Memo-field is NOT Notes-field to which you get data from CDDB,
Memo-field ONLY exist to store YOUR 

-michael (a)

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From gtang@gtcons.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:00:57 -0800
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:00:57 -0800
From: George Tang gtang@gtcons.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question

BTW, I mean the setup menu on your changer, not CDJ.

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of George Tang
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:54 AM
To: Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question


In the setup menu, there is an item that sets the type of Control-AI/II the
changer supports.  Set it to Control-AII instead of AI.

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:15 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question


I have a CDP-CX300 which holds 300 disks but CDJ lists it as only having
200. How do I fix this? Also, this changer has CD text. I can download the
memos to the player but not the titles is a fix or work around for this?  I
couldn't find this in the documentation...
Thanks,
Kamamu


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From Kamamu_Smith-KSMITH2@email.mot.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:08:29 -0600
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:08:29 -0600
From: Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2 Kamamu_Smith-KSMITH2@email.mot.com
Subject: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question

I can't seem to find it and I really want to get those 100 disc in the file. Help?
-Kamamu

-----Original Message-----
From: George Tang [mailto:gtang@gtcons.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:54 AM
To: Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2; slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question


In the setup menu, there is an item that sets the type of Control-AI/II the
changer supports.  Set it to Control-AII instead of AI.

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Smith Kamamu-KSMITH2
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 8:15 AM
To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
Subject: RE: [slinkelist] CD J Functionality Question


I have a CDP-CX300 which holds 300 disks but CDJ lists it as only having
200. How do I fix this? Also, this changer has CD text. I can download the
memos to the player but not the titles is a fix or work around for this?  I
couldn't find this in the documentation...
Thanks,
Kamamu


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From michael@laserle.fi Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:08:58 +0200
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 19:08:58 +0200
From: Michael Holopainen michael@laserle.fi
Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...

Mega Control = one-way Control AI/II -> sends Control AI/II commands BUT
do not listen 

= it can control SLAVE cdp-cx___ CD players (only CD and only as their
master )
=> you are not able to control 300DVD with slinke OR EVEN with another
300DVD 

BAD SONY, (now I'm rolling up my news paper... my AIBO is going get such
a beating)

= stupid micros**t mentality, to spend time & money to hinder products
performance and limit it's functionality, when they had good and tested
component with great performance (unlike micros**t)

Argh I just realized if DVD300 had REAL= standard Control-A1 CDJ with
it's cover-images would make kick-ass movie library !!!!!!!!!! scan the
front cover and type back cover to notes. DAMN!!!!

Is this the result of Sony-micros**t collabaration. 

What, what do you mean that I can blame MS for EVERYTHING ? ;) 

If you blame micros**t for everything you are more often right that
wrong :(

-michael (A)

P.S. I don't really have a AIBO, so no need to worry about cruelty to
consumer electronics ;)

P.S.S. it's been a looong day. 
  

Peter Elliot wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> The interesting socket is not the Control-S socket but the one labeled Mega
> Control...
> 
> See
> http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-a67LPFvlesu/prodpic.asp?pp=28012&i=158D
> VX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL
> 
> I'm not hopeful, but maybe this could be a Control AI/II socket.
> 
> Regards
> 
> PJE
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of George Tang
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 11:14 AM
> > To: Mitchell S. Cohen; Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> >
> > Unfortunately, Control-S is not Control AI/II.  Control-S is only for
> > receiving commands and not bi-directional.  8-(
> >
> > -G
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mitchell S. Cohen
> > Sent: Friday, November 24, 2000 3:27 PM
> > To: Peter Elliot; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> >
> >
> > Hi...  Ohhh, I do hope these will work with the slink-e.
> >
> > I did find this press release:
> >
> >   http://ca.biz.yahoo.com/bw/000907/in_sony_2.html
> >
> > which says a fair bit more than the Sony web page.  Most
> > interesting - they
> > moved the playhead to the center of the unit, which lets the
> > player play the
> > second side of a DVD by spinning the carousel around and
> > loading the disc in
> > backwards.  Clever.
> >
> > Ahha:  According to Crutchfield, they do have a Control-S
> > port.  They even
> > have a photo of the back of the 870D:
> >
> > <http://www.crutchfield.com/cgi-bin/S-iMpbIyrfCNx/prodpic.asp?
> > pp=28012&i=158
> > DVX870D&o=M&a=0&display=XL>
> >
> > This is good, I do believe...
> >
> > ---
> >       Mitchell S. Cohen, Multimedia Systems Consulting
> >         mcohen@msystems.com, http://www.msystems.com
> >   Home Automation page at http://www.msystems.com/homeauto/
> >
> > > From: Peter Elliot <peter.elliot@ukonline.co.uk>
> > > Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 16:36:21 -0500
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] New DVD 300 disc players...
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I've just noticed on the Sony site two new DVD multidisc players do
> > > these units have the Control A2-II? link... All it states is
> > > 'MegaStorage CD Changer Control'
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Peter Elliot
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > DVP-CX860    msrp $699.00
> > >
> > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx860.shtml
> > >
> > > 300 +1 DVD/VCD/CD Player
> > > Advanced DSP Servo with Active Tilt Control
> > > 10 Bit 27Mhz Video DAC
> > > Video Equalizer
> > > SmoothScan High Speed Forward and Reverse
> > > SmoothSlow Forward and Reverse
> > > 96 khz24 bit Linear PCM audio decoding
> > > Dolby Digital Output
> > > DTS Digital Output
> > > Digital Cinema Sound Modes
> > > Bitmapped Graphic User Interface (GUI)
> > > 300 + 1 Disc Explorer System
> > > Custom Parental Controls
> > > MegaStorage CD Changer Control
> > > Picture Navigation
> > > Multi Brand DVD Navigator Remote with Phosphorescent Keys
> > > Component Video Output
> > >
> > > DVP-CX870D    msrp $899.00
> > >
> > http://www.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/> ss5/home/dvd/dvd/dvp-cx870d.shtml
> > >
> > > As 860 other than:
> > >
> > > Dolby Digital 5.1 processing built-in
> > > Copper Plated Chassis
> > > Anti Vibration top plate
> > > Holographic Slot Labels
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > slinkelist maillist  -  slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > http://www.nirvis.com/mailman/listinfo/slinkelist
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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From garthmalena@monetteis.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:50:17 -0500
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 12:50:17 -0500
From: Malena, Garth garthmalena@monetteis.com
Subject: [slinkelist] What is minimum wiring I can use for Slink-e?

I am considering using CDJ via Slink-e to control my CD changers (200 and
400 disc sonys). My PC is in a room located about 50 feet from the CD
players. I currently have Xantech LED set up in a couple of rooms so I can
control my equipment from the bedrooms or bath. Will Slink-e attach to my PC
only and allow me to control my CD players from the PC or would I need to
run a wire from the PC to the CD players also? The home is new and we really
don't want wires being visible nor do we want to reroute anything through
the walls, ceilings, etc. Wish I'd have known about this equipment when we
were having the pre-wiring installed. Can anyone help me out with this
issue?

Thank you,

Garth Malena
Systems Analyst
Monette Information Systems
(757) 357-1598 x7445





From gtang@gtcons.com Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:29:51 -0800
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 11:29:51 -0800
From: George Tang gtang@gtcons.com
Subject: [slinkelist] What is minimum wiring I can use for Slink-e?

You can use the slink-e's IR port to control your changers.  But that would
be of little benefit since you can't get any information back from the
changers.  So all the good features of CDJ is useless to you.  I would
recommend to have slinke by the changers and run a cat5 cable from the
slink-e to your pc.  I hid my cable under the baseboard, so it's not visible
at all.

-G

-----Original Message-----
From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
Behalf Of Malena, Garth
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 9:50 AM
To: 'slinkelist@nirvis.com'
Subject: [slinkelist] What is minimum wiring I can use for Slink-e?


I am considering using CDJ via Slink-e to control my CD changers (200 and
400 disc sonys). My PC is in a room located about 50 feet from the CD
players. I currently have Xantech LED set up in a couple of rooms so I can
control my equipment from the bedrooms or bath. Will Slink-e attach to my PC
only and allow me to control my CD players from the PC or would I need to
run a wire from the PC to the CD players also? The home is new and we really
don't want wires being visible nor do we want to reroute anything through
the walls, ceilings, etc. Wish I'd have known about this equipment when we
were having the pre-wiring installed. Can anyone help me out with this
issue?

Thank you,

Garth Malena
Systems Analyst
Monette Information Systems
(757) 357-1598 x7445



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