[slinkelist] Re: slinkelist digest, Vol 1 #429 - 5 msgs
Michael Cody
cody250@home.com
Sun, 5 Nov 2000 18:59:23 -0500
Why does my CDJ sometimes not pick up all the tracks written onto a CD
played in my Sony 300 disk player - I have recognize "Cd-text' on in CDJ and
it shows up on the player - any ideas?
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> 1. RE: Two sound cards and hum (Colby Boles)
> 2. RE: Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM) (W. John Guineau)
> 3. COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database (James Glidewell)
> 4. RE: COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database (Colby Boles)
> 5. RE: Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM) (Gautam Desai)
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> Message: 1
> From: "Colby Boles" <cboles@socrates.Berkeley.EDU>
> To: "Mike Macgirvin" <mike@macgirvin.com>, "Shawn Boyle"
<shawn@sboyle.com>
> Cc: <slinkeList@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:43:25 -0800
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>
> I really think the best approach is to just use digital sound cards with
> either optical (inherently isolated) or transformer-coupled coaxial
outputs.
> I like the RME Digi96 line of sound cards. They are PCI card with great
> drivers that support multiple cards
>
> Benefits:
>
> * ground loops solved
> * sound quality issues solved
> * quality cabling cheap (can use RG-6 for coax runs)
>
> Drawbacks:
>
> * more expensive sound card ($80-$1000)
> * need digital input on your stereo or an external DAC
>
> Colby
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Mike Macgirvin
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:56 PM
> > To: Shawn Boyle
> > Cc: slinkeList@nirvis.com
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Two sound cards and hum
> >
> >
> > > Another solution for the ground loop problem that I've heard
> > [from this list I think] is to connect the chassis of your
> > > computer to the chassis of your amp. I haven't tried this yet
> > but I think someone else on this list has. It'd certainly be
> > > worth a try, and would be cheaper than buying an isolator from
> > RS. Although if your computer is far from you amp it might not
> > > be worth it if you have to run another wire.
> > >
> > > -Shawn
> >
> > With all due respects, this is essentially what has been done by
> > connecting the stereo lines between the systems. This is not a cure for
> > a ground loop, it is the cause. The computer is *generally* grounded
> > through the three-prong plug to the electrical box in your house and
> > presumably, eventually to a water line or fixed ground stake or such.
> > The stereo is *generally* grounded through the cable line (which must be
> > grounded at the inlet box) using a path of slightly or dramatically
> > different length; since most stereos still use 2-prong power mains. If
> > the ground paths on these systems are different lengths
> > (impedance/resistance to earth ground), and you connect the stereo
> > input/output lines together, you have created a ground loop. Same as if
> > you connect the frames together. You must break the link between the
> > systems *or* ensure that both are exactly the same electrical distance
> > to earth reference ground. The former is relatively easy with isolation
> > transformers, the latter could be very hard and possibly extremely
> > expensive, as it means that you would have to re-wire the house to make
> > sure that all "ground prongs" on electrical outlets and cable-TV outlets
> > are exactly the same electrical length to earth.
> >
> > The only way this solution (tie-together) works is if your stereo can be
> > lifted from ground completely ("floated") and does not have any ties to
> > ground except through the computer. This generally rules out having a
> > cable-TV connection in the system unless you isolate it. Cable-TV
> > isolators are available as well, but most folks prefer to use stereo
> > audio line isolators instead because isolators always have a wee bit of
> > loss and this generally affects high-frequency video signals much more
> > than audio signals.
> >
> > The absolute cheapest solution you can try is to plug the computer in
> > via a "widow-maker" power line which has the ground wire disconnected
> > (cut off the ground prong). This assumes the computer isn't pulling in a
> > ground reference somewhere else through one of your peripherals. If this
> > removes the hum, great but it's called a "widow-maker" for a reason.
> > Your computer would now be floating and you could possibly be subject to
> > deadly shock. Rare, but not impossible. If you're reading between the
> > lines here, the isolator is really the best way out.
> >
> >
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> Message: 2
> From: "W. John Guineau" <guineau@earthlink.net>
> To: <keith.weldon@weldondesign.com>, <slinkelist@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 10:01:47 -0800
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>
> Whoa! That is very cool! It seems to work great!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:14 PM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > John - nothing to "enable". The VNC web server is listening on port
5800.
> >
> > Just type in "http://192.168.0.1:5800" into your browser and away it
goes.
> >
> > 192.168.0.1 happens to be my server's IP address, substitute yours and
it
> > should work.
> >
> > Hope this helps
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > P.S. port 5800 works when you are running a single VNC server on
> > a machine.
> > Check the FAQ in the VNC documentation if you are running more
> > than one VNC
> > server.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: W. John Guineau [mailto:guineau@earthlink.net]
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 11:36 PM
> > To: keith.weldon@weldondesign.com; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> >
> > I use VNC to connect between work and home all the time (and
> > between various
> > machines at each end as well) and think it's great!
> >
> > Keith - I didn't know there was an HTTP server built into it!
> > I'll have to read up on how to enable it...
> >
> > john
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Keith Weldon
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 7:57 PM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that
> > > allows any web
> > > browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a
TCP/IP
> > > network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
> > >
> > > The client machine does not need the VNC client software to
> > > remotely control
> > > the server. All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP
> > connectivity to the
> > > server machine.
> > >
> > > If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the
> > Internet, all you
> > > would need to know is its IP address and password and you could
> > control it
> > > from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> > > anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
> > >
> > > Hope this helps
> > > Keith Weldon
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > The most obvious client server approach would be a web based
> > version. Run
> > > the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser
> > > anywhere, and you
> > > have complete control of the cds and mp3s. All the audio
> > output from the
> > > mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is
> > running. This
> > > would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> > > probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not
> > > be as clean
> > > as the application.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > >
> > >
> > > Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...). I gave up on
it.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > > > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > > > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > Behalf Of Keith
> > > > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > > > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room
> > > Control than
> > > > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> > > >
> > > > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > > > with DCOM and
> > > > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> > > >
> > > > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in
> > > each bedroom
> > > > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running
> > > CDJ and the
> > > > Slink-e. This allows everyone to see or make changes to what
> > is playing
> > > > from any location in the house.
> > > >
> > > > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest
PC,
> > > > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the
> > > keyboard to search
> > > > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> > > >
> > > > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want
> > > multi-room control
> > > > from PC control stations. Multi-room control from handheld
> > > > remotes or wall
> > > > mounted controls is a different story. But from PC's I can't
> > think of a
> > > > better solution than VNC.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Keith Weldon
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com] On
> > > > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > > > To: Michael Holopainen
> > > > Cc: Slinke-List
> > > > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> > > >
> > > > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere,
remote
> > > > controlling the host computer. However, while my laptop has
> > a 1024X768
> > > > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > > > have to scroll
> > > > around or mess with window sizing. Also, my wife uses CDJ too
> > > -- if I was
> > > > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ
> > > would show
> > >
> > > > up on the server's screen.
> > > >
> > > > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000,
> > > don't use the
> > > > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > > > library/covers
> > > > paths.
> > > >
> > > > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM
> > was a poor
> > > > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or
> > > encapsulated HTTP
> > > > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > > > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN
> > > access from
> > > > work... It would also make it almost trivial to control the
> > > Slink-e from
> > > > almost any OS or scripting language. However, in my situation,
> > > > the pain of
> > > > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> > > >
> > > > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > > > about $50,
> > > > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over
> > > Telnet, putting
> > > > DCOM to rest. I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
> > > redirector
> > > > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > > > DXS ports
> > > > on the terminal server. Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > > > connection to
> > > > the Slink-e and DXS. I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > > > around to
> > > > messing with it.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > > > To: Igal, Saleh
> > > > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have you tried VNC ??
> > > >
> > > > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> > > >
> > > > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> > > >
> > > > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > > > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > > > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > > > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > > > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > > > 6. Easy to set up
> > > > 7. Small prog
> > > > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version
conflict)
> > > > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > > > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > > > actually works
> > > > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> > > >
> > > > -michael (A)
> > > >
> > > > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > > > slinkesrv.
> > > > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists. If
> > > I'm anywhere
> > > > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ. It
> > > > works great --
> > > > I
> > > > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > > > >
> > > > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > > > configuration. First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection
> > > data, so I
> > > > have
> > > > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update.
> > > Second, if
> > > > CDJ
> > > > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > > > >
> > > > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > > > significant
> > > > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server
> > versus the
> > > > > laptop. If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > > > running CDJ
> > > > on
> > > > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop
> > > and wireless
> > > > LAN.
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > > > To: Slinke-List
> > > > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather
> > > simple way.
> > > > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively
> > > controlling a pair of
> > > > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > > > the PC to the
> > > > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in
> > the living
> > > > room
> > > > > to satellite speakers in the office. I did most of my
> > > listening in the
> > > > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was
> > convenient enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in
> > > the living
> > > > > room. I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > > > office, but
> > > > > now quite a bit more in the living room. I now want to
> > > control the Sony
> > > > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and
the
> > > > living
> > > > > room.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias
the
> > > > feedback
> > > > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have
> > already done
> > > > > something similar. To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > > > necessary to
> > > > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between
> > > the living
> > > > room
> > > > > and office.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ideas, anyone?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ron
> > > > >
> > > > > ================================================
> > > > > Ron Tugender
> > > > > 408-378-0777
> > > > > ron@tugender.com
> > > > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:14:12 -0800
> From: James Glidewell <jimglidewell@home.com>
> Reply-To: jim_glidewell@yahoo.com
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com, help@nirvis.com
> Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
> I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
> CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.
>
> I installed:
> Win95 SR2
> Full Slinke install (092600 release)
>
> When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
> "Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
> info, I get a COM error:
>
> COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
>
> and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.
>
> Since the initial failure, I have tried:
>
> Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.
>
> No luck.
>
> Discard the user.mdb file and start again.
>
> No luck.
>
> Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?
>
> I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
> "helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
> need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.
>
> Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?
>
> Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff
> I might do to free up some system related memory?
>
> Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
> that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Colby Boles" <cboles@nirvis.com>
> To: <jim_glidewell@yahoo.com>,
> <slinkelist@nirvis.com>,
> <help@nirvis.com>
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 12:24:33 -0800
> charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Did you install MDAC 2.5? You can get this at MS or it is included if you
> download the latest full installation. 8mb could be trouble...
>
> Colby
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of James Glidewell
> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 11:14 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com; help@nirvis.com
> > Subject: [slinkelist] COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> >
> >
> > I just found an old laptop that I am trying to use as a dedicated
> > CDJ machine. Everex ExpressNote Cyrix586/100/8mb RAM/800mb HD.
> >
> > I installed:
> > Win95 SR2
> > Full Slinke install (092600 release)
> >
> > When I try to run CDJ, it sees the slinke. I then run
> > "Add discs..." . When CDJ tries to store the first disc's
> > info, I get a COM error:
> >
> > COM Error 80004003 - Error opening database
> >
> > and the CDJ gives an error about unable to write Library.
> >
> > Since the initial failure, I have tried:
> >
> > Download and install DCOM95 from the MS download site.
> >
> > No luck.
> >
> > Discard the user.mdb file and start again.
> >
> > No luck.
> >
> > Has anybody see the 80004003 error before? Any suggestions?
> >
> > I suspect that 8mb might not be enough to run CDJ and whatever
> > "helper" processes (or extra memory allocation) that COM might
> > need to open a DB. But this stuff is pretty opaque to me.
> >
> > Is anyone running CDJ on an 8mb system?
> >
> > Is insufficient memory the problem? If so, any suggestions on stuff
> > I might do to free up some system related memory?
> >
> > Memory upgrades for this laptop _are_ available, but at a price
> > that will make my "bargain" laptop cease to be a bargain... :-(
> >
> > Thanks for any help!
> >
> >
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> Message: 5
> From: Gautam Desai <gdesai@Doculabs.com>
> To: "'keith.weldon@weldondesign.com'" <keith.weldon@weldondesign.com>,
> slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 14:29:53 -0600
> charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Worldwide access is great when I am on the road and want to listen to my
> music collection using a ShoutCast channel broadcast from my home. I just
> fire up a browser make or load a playlist and have my own personal remote
> jukebox. It is simply amazing. I've tried everything from Windows
Terminal
> Server to PC Anywhere. VNC is far superior in its ability to do
multi-point
> control (many machines can see and control a single machine). In addition
> it can do so through a web browser or thin-client on everything from a
> Windows based PC to Unix to a Win CE device! Best of all it's free.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Weldon [mailto:keith.weldon@weldondesign.com]
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 9:57 PM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> VNC is "web based" and has an HTTP server built into it that allows any
web
> browser to take control of the server machine from anywhere on a TCP/IP
> network (intra- extra- or inter-net).
>
> The client machine does not need the VNC client software to remotely
control
> the server. All it needs is a web browser and TCP/IP connectivity to the
> server machine.
>
> If you allowed your VNC server to be accessible from the Internet, all you
> would need to know is its IP address and password and you could control it
> from any web browser anywhere in the world! (I haven't figured out why
> anyone would want to do this but it does sound impressive!)
>
> Hope this helps
> Keith Weldon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Simon Mason
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 10:12 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> The most obvious client server approach would be a web based version. Run
> the slinkeserv on the web server, attach with any browser anywhere, and
you
> have complete control of the cds and mp3s. All the audio output from the
> mp3s would be on the server, or wherever the slinkeserv is running. This
> would of course require a great deal of re-engineering for Colby, and
> probably some lost functionality as a CDJ web version would not be as
clean
> as the application.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> Behalf Of Mike Kropp
> Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:55 AM
> To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
>
>
> Pretty much so but it's slooooow (but it is free...). I gave up on it.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Simon Mason
> > Sent: Saturday, November 04, 2000 8:17 AM
> > To: 'Keith'; slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Does VNC do essentially the same thing as pcAnywhere?
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > Behalf Of Keith
> > Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 10:53 AM
> > To: slinkelist@nirvis.com
> > Subject: RE: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls (was re: VNC, DCOM)
> >
> >
> > Hello - I too find VNC to be a better solution for Multi-room Control
than
> > DCOM and Slinkesrv.
> >
> > The one thing I found I could do with VNC that I could not do
> > with DCOM and
> > Slinkesrv was to let multiple PC's have simultaneous control of CDJ.
> >
> > I have a PC in the kitchen, one in the family room and one in each
bedroom
> > simultaneously connected via VNC to a PC dedicated to running CDJ and
the
> > Slink-e. This allows everyone to see or make changes to what is playing
> > from any location in the house.
> >
> > I like being able to roam around the house, walk up to the nearest PC,
> > glance at the screen to see what is playing, tickle the keyboard to
search
> > for a specific song and add it to the playlist.
> >
> > I can't think of a better solution than VNC if you want multi-room
control
> > from PC control stations. Multi-room control from handheld
> > remotes or wall
> > mounted controls is a different story. But from PC's I can't think of a
> > better solution than VNC.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Keith Weldon
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
> > [mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com] On
> > Behalf Of Igal, Saleh
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 11:22 AM
> > To: Michael Holopainen
> > Cc: Slinke-List
> > Subject: [slinkelist] VNC, DCOM (was re: Multi-room controls)
> >
> > >From what I understand of VNC, it works similar to pcAnywhere, remote
> > controlling the host computer. However, while my laptop has a 1024X768
> > screen, my server has a 1600X1024 wide-screen display, so I'd
> > have to scroll
> > around or mess with window sizing. Also, my wife uses CDJ too -- if I
was
> > on the server, and she was using the laptop to control CDJ, CDJ would
show
>
> > up on the server's screen.
> >
> > As for some of the other issues, I run strictly NT and 2000, don't use
the
> > mp3 features, and didn't really have to do much to mess with
> > library/covers
> > paths.
> >
> > I think almost all networked CDJ users would agree that DCOM was a poor
> > choice for the networking protocol - a native sockets or encapsulated
HTTP
> > implementation would be cleaner, more stable, easier to configure,
> > WAN-friendly for streaming control, firewall-friendly for WAN access
from
> > work... It would also make it almost trivial to control the Slink-e
from
> > almost any OS or scripting language. However, in my situation,
> > the pain of
> > dealing with DCOM is worth the benefit.
> >
> > All that being said, I bought an old terminal server on Ebay for
> > about $50,
> > and will likely roll my own native socket connection over Telnet,
putting
> > DCOM to rest. I plan to just use the terminal server's virtual
redirector
> > software to direct COM7 and COM8 on the laptop to the Slink-e and
> > DXS ports
> > on the terminal server. Then, CDJ will think it has a direct
> > connection to
> > the Slink-e and DXS. I'll post my results to the list when I get
> > around to
> > messing with it.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Holopainen [mailto:michael@laserle.fi]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 31, 2000 2:19 am
> > To: Igal, Saleh
> > Subject: Re: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> >
> >
> > Have you tried VNC ??
> >
> > http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/download.html
> >
> > I for one find it MUCH better that DCOM :
> >
> > 1. no need for NT server, DCOMcnfg, no need to manually <anything>
> > 2. mp3 play on "server" = computer connected on slink
> > 3. no need to mess with library-covers-mp3_files paths
> > 4. I haven't crashed CDJ / VNC not even once in past 1-2 years
> > 5. You can do MUCH more than just CDJ with VNC
> > 6. Easy to set up
> > 7. Small prog
> > 8. You only need to install 1 CDJ (less updating, no version conflict)
> > 9. no need for slinkeserv
> > 10. Oh jeah, and the "small" detail that it's not MS product, so it
> > actually works
> > 11. You can even use CDJ from remote UNIX (Linux) machine
> >
> > -michael (A)
> >
> > "Igal, Saleh" wrote:
> > >
> > > I use a laptop with an 802.11 wireless connection; a server runs
> > slinkesrv.
> > > The server also has my MDB file, covers, and playlists. If I'm
anywhere
> > > within earshot, I just grab the laptop to control CDJ. It
> > works great --
> > I
> > > get full CDJ control from anywhere inside or outside the house.
> > >
> > > There are two annoyances that you will see in any CDJ/DCOM network
> > > configuration. First, CDJ updates reset the DCOM connection data, so
I
> > have
> > > to run DCOMCNFG and reconfigure DCOM after every CDJ update. Second,
if
> > CDJ
> > > crashes, I have to manually go and restart slinkesrv.
> > >
> > > The newer 11 Mbps wireless cards are fast enough that there's no
> > significant
> > > difference between having the MDB and covers on the server versus the
> > > laptop. If my wife's using the laptop, I just revert back to
> > running CDJ
> > on
> > > the server, since it has the MDB and covers.
> > >
> > > If you're planning to buy a new PC anyway, I'd strongly recommend
> > > considering spending a few hundred bucks more for a laptop and
wireless
> > LAN.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com
[mailto:slinkelist-admin@nirvis.com]On
> > > Behalf Of Ron Tugender
> > > Sent: Monday, October 30, 2000 10:08 am
> > > To: Slinke-List
> > > Subject: [slinkelist] Multi-room controls
> > >
> > > I've been using Slink-e/CDJ for a while now, but in a rather simple
way.
> > > I've had in my office one PC running CDJ, natively controlling a pair
of
> > > Sony changers in the living room, with a long Cat-5 run from
> > the PC to the
> > > Slink-e and a long speaker connection from the amplifier in the living
> > room
> > > to satellite speakers in the office. I did most of my listening in
the
> > > office, so having the primary CDJ control there was convenient enough.
> > >
> > > I've now acquired a home theatre setup with gorgeous audio in the
living
> > > room. I still intend to do a fair amount of listening in the
> > office, but
> > > now quite a bit more in the living room. I now want to control the
Sony
> > > players through CDJ (or perhaps PartyGUI) in both the office and the
> > living
> > > room.
> > >
> > > I have a few thoughts on how I might do this, but before I bias the
> > feedback
> > > I'd rather first ask for suggestions from people who have already done
> > > something similar. To focus the suggestions, I'm prepared if
> > necessary to
> > > put another PC in the living room and LAN connection between the
living
> > room
> > > and office.
> > >
> > > Ideas, anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > ================================================
> > > Ron Tugender
> > > 408-378-0777
> > > ron@tugender.com
> > >
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